Received: from mail-ve0-f186.google.com ([209.85.128.186]:56581) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UlwmA-0007Lf-Tf for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:44:34 -0700 Received: by mail-ve0-f186.google.com with SMTP id jw11sf1975540veb.3 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:44:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=UQTRzYBUB8oIpYCBSF2W4lT/JVju5mGxe4znWHGiyC0=; b=g0bRNTf+NVILrIbCk5iu8H/SfKyud9CHjR0TFGWbxlkHggwkBkL6SjEt8P/fpbcRqe RCfW1Tq8dxzYFTWZHlk8tvxoI6ecuQ+jVqfFNcj6hYBvMR/inJDlJHRikSUHe2neczu5 hS9+2b/VHbQF/eb+23E/epcpBcC16Xc6/iwlQja6WUzH9NS59fIHloBceANIGwzKftnS trDWIAPU3l9/ztjShd9MUPOdKaB+/xRdiYJsvTOE6VGNcqhARgtKOHQwMn4ZrTSlUPLv ihoezVFrqXJP+WudR1dNyU8GU/WwytI/IpjhBIhAeCGfmIOGq6JAzbYHIt+j0J4IN83g 7bLw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=UQTRzYBUB8oIpYCBSF2W4lT/JVju5mGxe4znWHGiyC0=; b=yf27wY9/y6w1halLuFE/GGUQSviBzsn9dlzGL0g6AReZ3+FKv6+sqDMlXorNPMYcqC aK/BPo8gBzRq8fpEA/2j9pLmfL9F46azMXJS6Js5Kn9r5UvOx9FXARMmZ96q7YCEs5q1 ltNcKXpfeD19+UwJUmy2nXcJZhZv2mD/72ZV3CUzoSeqAa4d85K0yiusoUnvP9EVT5qv +CmIlYnS0rl008bOgmRLjjlBt9v3pXkJu9CdiL2m1KO6U/Yfwap/AR1ZY1NlFYjINHIa zrGuYZ0RexeWRadT2qoJrlxQflmjdM5er+RRFdIDt6TqT4Gfmx/T8tDahWmY/a5V5jCM jdNQ== X-Received: by 10.50.108.104 with SMTP id hj8mr652601igb.13.1370850254083; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:44:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.110.98 with SMTP id hz2ls1958786igb.28.gmail; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:44:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.72.98 with SMTP id c2mr7495452igv.3.1370850253478; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x22e.google.com (mail-ie0-x22e.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cj8si1003759igb.0.2013.06.10.00.44.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22e; Received: by mail-ie0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 9so151340iec.33 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:44:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.43.53.211 with SMTP id vr19mr3395322icb.33.1370850252984; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.233.229 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:44:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1370832461.62717.YahooMailNeo@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> <51A8680E.7040103@lojban.org> <51A8F326.2020901@lojban.org> <51A8F89D.2040408@gmx.de> <51B00097.8080004@lojban.org> <51B06D24.6020102@gmx.de> <51B46762.8080509@lojban.org> <51B47305.4020704@gmx.de> <1370811519.81380.YahooMailNeo@web184403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1370813476.27765.YahooMailNeo@web184405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1370830982.63258.YahooMailNeo@web184401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1370832461.62717.YahooMailNeo@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 03:44:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51b20635e998004dec7f251 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec51b20635e998004dec7f251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:47 PM, John E Clifford wrote: > Yes, that is what {zi'o} does -- when it is overtly given. But it cannot > be slipped in after the utterance to clean up the mess and that is the case > at hand. > If you adopt the convention that I mentioned earlier where empty places are understood as {zi'o .u zo'e}, it's not even "slipped in", it's just there in the first place. mi'e la latro'a mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --bcaec51b20635e998004dec7f251 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:47 PM, John E Clifford <kali= 9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes, that is what {zi'o} does=A0 -- = when it is overtly given.=A0 But it cannot be slipped in after the utteranc= e to clean up the mess and that is the case at hand.
If you adopt the convention that I mentioned earlie= r where empty places are understood as {zi'o .u zo'e}, it's not= even "slipped in", it's just there in the first place.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o=A0

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