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la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e
> I do think this talk about a documented baseline has about worn out its
> usefulness.

Yes! Finally someone says this openly.

> It started when it became clear that the grammar in CLL did
> not correspond to what anybody was doing in Lojban.  But it was
> predicated on somebody actually doing the documentation and in the
> intervening two decades, no one has even made a pass at that.  So, why
> not go back to CLL.  Say that *is* the baseline and largely wrong and
> then start to build the new normal, incorporating suggestions as they
> come along and get accepted, rather than waiting for the Baseline (who
> is do a week after the Messiah and two after Elijah).

I would love that.

> That ids, in
> fact, the way people have been behaving for most of Lojban's history but
> there have been no controls on them because "it is not yet the time to
> make changes".  Too bad, the changes just get made, even if they are
> dumb.  Better to hash them out and issue decrees now then try to patch
> things up later (much later, since after the baseline).

That's kind of what I keep saying.

> So, for example, I use dotside prime. (and am thinking about dropping
> {la} with cmevla).

Hehe :P. You would still need to show how you would distinguish between 
{mi klama .paris. .berlin.} "I go to Paris from Berlin" and {mi klama 
.paris.berlin.} "I go to Paris-Berlin" (whatever that is). How do you 
distinguish between cmevla strings that form a single sumti together and 
cmevla strings that don't? You cannot simply remove the middle dot 
there, because *{.parisberlin.} has an illegal consonant pair. I assume 
you would use a JOI to glue them and have them be seperate otherwise?

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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