Received: from mail-pa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.220.61]:65327) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Um7hj-0007ns-Uk for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:24:47 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id kp12sf985308pab.16 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:24:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+jtdi+sbrr+fysdWyOrRM08ZZh0CENjnVxPaR9sAesU=; b=B9Znx/f7ekx0ze4PEe2izIqxh7/bNHaaU3EmCmxzbsFI2twzj5gQHkTUAoiQ/bUNnw AOAkK9ZcuFxc5KLvfj5GO5wtlHKe3zgubbiCTtaWSUW96IiTMOCmRXwffdUFGqIo+1x/ r4A5bFOTYWW+Sh5xjdqauJXowCr+ylcb9iwzXUnpjOwcMK+Yd5m07+vH9hPybYir4V+/ kgg0EqdWaFvnsT84wT5FYYI0+nk70No+oQlii3xUdYAlT8BZO2V9jj1U32IFTf0l4Ptt xMjmhdG4gKAU8xPuv8NzL6nZt+WP9mhZhfB4tgu2+dcwV+BhNBmbDkPGIOgkvDtrAwvf 9Yhg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+jtdi+sbrr+fysdWyOrRM08ZZh0CENjnVxPaR9sAesU=; b=Mm0cHM6mzxAeKtiJfS2sPjKgJJPeMiSxemWn4u7CYwRb+4v01yhGiGNzn45r3IZHqD 7u+Eeyhbj7ZhA8ypTv3C05AtYU9YGErenTQj/mfcgw+hDzhOdqlh9vZEtd9aTobazsZ9 KLNQgltAx4QeCJtYKuCihzNajPsFNSe8qhz4v+so0W7oL8leGv4y41BydSTgyMbAEJx7 gyvYFE32Mc9JVdbhQ7OFmqFukBj3yOZNbAnNjO6sGND183X+6UbpnB8aOLJnRbHu96TL 88L1EmIU9UNHg+BOZLuZe9EKvrccNHxHhjVasGE4bHUBleXodi3aKtQFx8HElbEtX7rt YtDQ== X-Received: by 10.50.112.105 with SMTP id ip9mr1145601igb.1.1370892269283; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:24:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.40.4 with SMTP id t4ls2465419igk.9.gmail; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.65.104 with SMTP id w8mr7007034igs.1.1370892268539; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x22b.google.com (mail-ob0-x22b.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i6si1311873igv.2.2013.06.10.12.24.28 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22b; Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id dn14so10605987obc.2 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.87.134 with SMTP id ay6mr9540454obb.13.1370892268176; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.87.8 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1370876609.84282.YahooMailNeo@web184401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <4692dee7-2ebc-4e58-a772-38fb4df607e7@googlegroups.com> <1370876609.84282.YahooMailNeo@web184401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:24:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] mi bacru tcidu la ko'a marji lo rectu From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0111bd10abd8ba04ded1ba6d X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e0111bd10abd8ba04ded1ba6d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 While I don't deny that a la'o construction works fine, I'm not sure why my version works any less than the example 10.3 in chapter 6 of the CLL, I expect you will assert the main difference is that the one is a string quoting a sumti, and the other a string quoting a bridi, but I assert that a string is a string is a string, and the referent of it is always something with that tag(name). This is fundamentally different that say, "la'e 'di'u" which is usually taken to mean approx. "lo nu go'i" or "lo go'i" or "ri" or..., well pretty much a lot of vague somethings.... --gejyspa On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:03 AM, John E Clifford wrote: > Alas, that gives a reference to Truth or Falsity, since the referent of > the quoted sentence is a truth value. It's not clear what was intended. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Michael Turniansky > *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Monday, June 10, 2013 9:32 AM > *Subject:* Re: [lojban] mi bacru tcidu la ko'a marji lo rectu > > lo nu galfi lu ko'a marji lo rectu li'u lo cmene na cumki lo nu lidne > jmina zo la .i do pu xusra lo du'u do tcidu da noi se cmene lu la ko'a > marji li'u zi'e noi se ciska fi lo rectu zo'o .i ko pilno lu la'e lu ko'a > marji lo rectu li'u li'u fi'o se basti ku > > It's not possible to change "ko'a marji lo rectu" to a name by simply > prepending "la". You asserted you were reading something called "la ko'a > marji" (His Material) > which was written on meat! Use "la'e lu ko'a marji lo rectu li'u" instead. > > --gejyspa > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:14 PM, lomicmenes wrote: > > coi > > .i mi bacru tcidu la ko'a marji lo rectu fi'e la teris.bisyn. fi'o fanva > fe'u la pier.abat. > .i le vreji > .i xu lo mi selba'u cu drani > > mu'o mi'e lomicmenes > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0While I don't deny that a la'o = construction works fine, I'm not sure why my version works any less tha= n the example 10.3 in chapter 6 of the CLL, =A0I expect you will assert the= main difference is that the one is a string quoting a sumti, and the other= a string quoting a bridi, but I assert that a string is a string is a stri= ng, and the referent of it is always something with that tag(name). =A0This= is fundamentally different that say, "la'e 'di'u" wh= ich is usually taken to mean approx. "lo nu go'i" or "lo= go'i" or "ri" or..., well pretty much a lot of vague so= methings....

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:03 AM, John E Clifford = <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Alas, that gives a reference to Tru= th or Falsity, since the referent of the quoted sentence is a truth value.= =A0 It's not clear what was intended.


From: Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013= 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [l= ojban] mi bacru tcidu la ko'a marji lo rectu

lo nu galfi lu ko'a marji lo rectu li'u lo cm= ene na cumki lo nu lidne jmina zo la .i do pu xusra lo du'u do =A0tcidu= da noi se cmene lu la ko'a marji li'u zi'e noi se ciska fi lo = rectu zo'o .i ko pilno lu la'e lu=A0=A0ko'a marji lo rectu li&#= 39;u li'u fi'o se basti ku

It's not possible to change "ko'a marji lo rect= u" to a name by simply prepending "la". =A0You asserted you = were reading something called "la ko'a marji" (His Material)= =A0
which was written on meat! Use "la'e lu ko'a marji lo rec= tu li'u" instead.

=A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa



On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:14 PM, lomicmenes <= = lomicmenes@gmail.com> wrote:
coi

.i mi bacru tcidu la ko'a marji lo rectu fi'= e la teris.bisyn. fi'o fanva fe'u la pier.abat.
.i=A0le vreji
.i xu lo mi selba'u cu drani

mu'= ;o mi'e lomicmenes=A0
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