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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:33:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla
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Well, CLL does not list a selma'o CMENE in the list of all the selma'o. It =
does use selma'o style reference ("CMENE") in two rules, one of them merely=
 the phonological definition of what are now called cmevla, the other defin=
ing the multi-cmevla cmene, which are called cmene=A0 and are clearly not i=
n CMENE.=A0 None of the other things that are names, e.g., {la tsani} are c=
alled cmene either and even regular cmevla and cmevla strings are called na=
mes throughout most of the text (other than the section on the phonological=
 definition).=A0 So, nobody is really sticking to CLL too closely.=A0 A nom=
enclature conference might come in handy.=A0 Personally, I like "names".


________________________________
 From: Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla
=20

Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
> I'll wait for you to read the context then.
>
>
>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0  (I still don't know what a "cmevla" is.=A0 I know what a =
"cmene" is)
>
>
> A cmevla is any Lojban word that ends in a consonant.
>
> Examples of (single) cmene that are not (single) cmevla are: "la'o gy
> Starbucks gy", "la djan smit", "la selpa'i"
>
> It is useful to be able to distinguish the special word form "cmevla"
> from the more general notion of cmene. These two concepts used to be
> confused when cmevla were called cmene, since not all cmene have the
> form of cmevla.

CMENE is the name of the selma'o that consists of those things you are=20
calling cmevla.

So not all cmene have the morphology of CMENE (since not all cmene are=20
Lojban at all), but all of CMENE do.

I will continue to use the language baseline terminology, insofar as is=20
possible.

lojbab

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Well, CLL does not li=
st a selma'o CMENE in the list of all the selma'o. It does use selma'o styl=
e reference ("CMENE") in two rules, one of them merely the phonological def=
inition of what are now called cmevla, the other defining the multi-cmevla =
cmene, which are called cmene&nbsp; and are clearly not in CMENE.&nbsp; Non=
e of the other things that are names, e.g., {la tsani} are called cmene eit=
her and even regular cmevla and cmevla strings are called names throughout =
most of the text (other than the section on the phonological definition).&n=
bsp; So, nobody is really sticking to CLL too closely.&nbsp; A nomenclature=
 conference might come in handy.&nbsp; Personally, I like "names".<br><div>=
<span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times ne=
w roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div
 style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: =
12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">=
 <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Robert LeChevalier &=
lt;lojbab@lojban.org&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</spa=
n></b> lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">S=
ent:</span></b> Monday, June 10, 2013 6:37 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-we=
ight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla<b=
r> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br>
Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:<br>&gt; I'll wait for you to read the context then.=
<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  (I still don't know wh=
at a "cmevla" is.&nbsp; I know what a "cmene" is)<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; A=
 cmevla is any Lojban word that ends in a consonant.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Exampl=
es of (single) cmene that are not (single) cmevla are: "la'o gy<br>&gt; Sta=
rbucks gy", "la djan smit", "la selpa'i"<br>&gt;<br>&gt; It is useful to be=
 able to distinguish the special word form "cmevla"<br>&gt; from the more g=
eneral notion of cmene. These two concepts used to be<br>&gt; confused when=
 cmevla were called cmene, since not all cmene have the<br>&gt; form of cme=
vla.<br><br>CMENE is the name of the selma'o that consists of those things =
you are <br>calling cmevla.<br><br>So not all cmene have the morphology of =
CMENE (since not all cmene are <br>Lojban at all), but all of CMENE do.<br>=
<br>I will continue to use the language baseline terminology, insofar
 as is <br>possible.<br><br>lojbab<br><br>-- <br>You received this message =
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