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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:37:26 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla
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According to jbovlaste http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/cmene
cmene:
definition	: x1 (quoted word(s)) is a/the name/title/tag of x2
to/used-by namer/name-user x3 (person).
notes: Also: x2 is called x1 by x3 (= selcme for reordered places).
See also cmavo list me'e, gismu, tcita, valsi, judri.
gloss words: name ; reference word
title ; name
created by	officialdata
vote information	100002
time	Tue Apr 20 19:21:08 2010

To me it means "name". So {cmevla} is the {valsi klesi} or "selma'o"
(if we really can count such words as {cmavo}).

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, I'm pretty sure CMENE is a klesi, and not a selma'o.
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:33 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Well, CLL does not list a selma'o CMENE in the list of all the selma'o. It
>> does use selma'o style reference ("CMENE") in two rules, one of them merely
>> the phonological definition of what are now called cmevla, the other
>> defining the multi-cmevla cmene, which are called cmene  and are clearly not
>> in CMENE.  None of the other things that are names, e.g., {la tsani} are
>> called cmene either and even regular cmevla and cmevla strings are called
>> names throughout most of the text (other than the section on the
>> phonological definition).  So, nobody is really sticking to CLL too closely.
>> A nomenclature conference might come in handy.  Personally, I like "names".

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