Received: from mail-ea0-f187.google.com ([209.85.215.187]:57120) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UmQms-0007lE-NI for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:47:25 -0700 Received: by mail-ea0-f187.google.com with SMTP id q10sf1197108eaj.4 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:47:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=r641pEcWVR24eqjhMKKCTJuX39whdz8VPpTlwsp0LnM=; b=SNQbgGDALMWGZy4g+JiuDQWhYvbCu7Crvp/BBpC4ZLMbmAHr0SsseOfZqj/DCRPFac LcLPctjWvSwFnFR/kB130Hc2BQ5gQNRQa0hbsxibUbjeGm1/9xg6mkvbVlcm75XUvUxk IeRNs0DOJGUxErgV6bWLEUxx1NZA/2/wd77BxUGAXt+chTiTnG8qBHnJDl2GEiir50F3 Nx1FbJCOowHWo3jdRANP1hca3Zyo1tGKhRSHjg4YNMJV/m//AhcNpuZ6a0LHiibhylIc E8+M2Fvzs5DDcKvTpJ9WX8sz6tjfJyU91ZGHY4bou6WfHS4iAeV+v5BZlwHuEJqvJw/2 6XFQ== X-Received: by 10.180.198.100 with SMTP id jb4mr245979wic.14.1370965623122; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:47:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.8.37 with SMTP id o5ls1204262wia.50.gmail; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:47:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.14.95.130 with SMTP id p2mr21674366eef.6.1370965621859; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.15.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ci6si1596559eeb.1.2013.06.11.08.47.01 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.19; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.24]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MOEAc-1UgwbJ2RiG-005XOQ for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:47:01 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 Jun 2013 15:47:01 -0000 Received: from p5DDC5EAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [93.220.94.174] by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 11 Jun 2013 17:47:01 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1930OFfmOR37EcW08Hd+Dw90qFSLxMGN6pb9Q6Iwr ufywwPEiB7W/PS Message-ID: <51B74672.3030304@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:46:58 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] break a cipher References: <3566404.c2LkBaIRe7@caracal> In-Reply-To: <3566404.c2LkBaIRe7@caracal> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .pier. cu cusku di'e > How would you say "break a cipher"? It's not "popygau" or "pofygau". Maybe > "tolnurgau"? How about {[ter]mifyfa'i} ? x1 facki lo du'u ma kau te mifra x2 boi x3 "x1 finds out by what coding system plain text x2 is/was turned into x3" I'm not sure there is a useful meaning for {mifyfa'i} without the {ter-}, so I could see that rafsi getting dropped from the lujvo to make it shorter. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.