Received: from mail-pa0-f55.google.com ([209.85.220.55]:48279) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UmlCy-0007LR-Ns for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 06:35:40 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f55.google.com with SMTP id bi5sf1860320pad.10 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 06:35:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=daWsK84yMVHUV//aUqE9f/OzHHqM0r0Y8BGn6SpUlhI=; b=J97A6BsYjaSAvL5YvKFaTTeZc4InJ6Z/VSQncl1rPl1z5KPCYhLbbYCnEnNs6qerOR M/m4Db67ePYllLFbApfUgWFV2+QrN/MJNgIsQyOT5yc/9MhXIAlmbBc96JZF1hHvhBuB YVvZDQuWFC8cfeFgKMQEb7wv9/7GgIUSRPX6dS5E9WoSyfqKfCiCHwDU30EYfVBroRD1 fAov2/cmLZkV5sEuKF0eli8tpyaR3TRNppG9vITqOGs3bChrTrKLNmRmednUSFAPoWAo s7Q4QXf1CI94mB5QG4X1iH75h2fhHWksoD/0TRX1juZMTsfGE7mwNJJL0Gzx3++t9vPP GlTg== X-Received: by 10.49.13.71 with SMTP id f7mr44633qec.31.1371044121149; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 06:35:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.58.233 with SMTP id u9ls1134772qeq.53.gmail; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 06:35:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.110.168 with SMTP id u28mr10172541yhg.32.1371044118723; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 06:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n78si1104846yhh.1.2013.06.12.06.35.15 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 06:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3072F31 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:35:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] break a cipher Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:35:08 -0400 Message-ID: <4456914.HAz3evfPE6@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-44-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <3566404.c2LkBaIRe7@caracal> <1732138.t0sNCqDtqN@caracal> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Tuesday, June 11, 2013 21:17:54 .arpis. wrote: > {selmipmifra} for (private) key, maybe {tolselmipmifra} for public key. What's wrong with "mifckiku"? A key is not a cipher; it's a parameter to a cipher, being the small amount that has to be kept secret (except for public keys) while the cipher algorithm can be public. ckiku2=mifra3. > I'm not really sure for "salt"; you could make an argument for {mipmifra} > (thing that keeps the data hidden), but it would be a stretch. > > Also, many of these are technical jargon and could be fu'ivla. I checked "hash" and "salt" in Wikipedia. Most of the languages transliterate "hash", but all the ones that I can read except Indonesian translate "salt" (which in the ordinary sense is "garam"). So I'd say "fancrxacu" and "mifrxaca", but I'm not sure what to call cryptographic salt. Does it have a source and composition? Does it flavor anything (thinking of "tsapi")? Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.