Received: from mail-fa0-f64.google.com ([209.85.161.64]:43282) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UmrGU-0002BY-Pd for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:03:47 -0700 Received: by mail-fa0-f64.google.com with SMTP id v1sf813079fav.9 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:03:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=J7K9H2ZsJ1RYBRcpe+1jF5M+3g3MK/PXvGAUBty7o5o=; b=VGYQF3O18S1Sak3esScnbPZ08W/DYiCEW/vMJRUPxaGaetIr9XwGWOZIsJJJ5Rgp3G 8vx6kipwTLqRM1FxsJ1Igp0JEk1oL01W1Q864swOuvvbg/u8L8wwCJwr1TQziRZvApQ/ toh0qEiceGQaUufp8TjYCn2aU1a9LmU7y1ppsmKJGbmXDlx1UN3OvaLe7pHjI+GvPX6H iSF0rWbXMqCUr0OuqzQ9vyadEYRtkRzE64HZw0iixlcBVy4tjteUPIgVY3p+1ts45xjL XdyI0iRz8ukgfDY4zXH+NItFzo7ASp8KX45Kq+4iMxa1M4Eq6spA2QigbUDr5BSbnk/C r0zQ== X-Received: by 10.180.207.74 with SMTP id lu10mr211011wic.4.1371067403348; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:03:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.126.103 with SMTP id mx7ls271845wib.53.canary; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:03:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.15.101.205 with SMTP id bp53mr3207939eeb.1.1371067401842; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.21]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ci6si2884121eeb.1.2013.06.12.13.03.21 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.21; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.30]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M8cOb-1URStm2HJ5-00wFvh for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:03:21 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Jun 2013 20:03:21 -0000 Received: from p5DDC5921.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [93.220.89.33] by mail.gmx.net (mp030) with SMTP; 12 Jun 2013 22:03:21 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Nqj9EPK7NMg7LRVJwK4Rn54qp6lek0lmkO1uTay Qb/WoXDBArb8y0 Message-ID: <51B8D406.9080200@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:03:18 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] How not to learn lojban References: <1370982616.41923.YahooMailNeo@web184403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .ianek. cu cusku di'e > vu tagda ri la cangu xo finda'a i te zu janvi ke vi'e matni ni blaxadju > > How does it not sound like Lojban? It very much does. But what does Lojban sound like to someone who doesn't know it? It would be interesting to get someone without any prior knowledge of Lojban to give their impression of it. One could play some audio to them and then ask them to imitate it afterwards. I'm fairly confident that they would produce something slightly less close to Lojban than the thing you wrote. (I've heard some people say some very negative things about how Lojban sounds, so those would likely butcher it on purpose). Virtually anyone could try this experiment at home, as it shouldn't be hard to find people who don't know Lojban. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.