Received: from mail-ea0-f188.google.com ([209.85.215.188]:33768) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Un7zg-00007i-6E for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:55:26 -0700 Received: by mail-ea0-f188.google.com with SMTP id a15sf1214384eae.5 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:55:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4hJd4Yl5YkWZuuhNDuRWEIOqtjo1r9CMC+qXhKodH4o=; b=hg2lR+pgPBEmhBz3iBWIt3izi69Rl9Gktbt7OAf57YQMb9OLGXs4FNae5lzAM+BCLR eGW5w/JDZQ2lhs4nUyBV4n8DuGRRCu7xLjX71DhPuCo2vnfsov1ciyZi6lc9qPpRpS3Y bKFGZwTP8aXwNI/jCAcLEMgjtORrgCAcJhY+vujIeURkmIEFb853rXGf6JdSnms+dQkr RcPYLvycMIg+WkkjnNOOk63fj96sVcZhnfeuiAvhKYqb5VmS//roYnKI3aHxEbznvNW9 fvpaqYu6zc6CNemQLMam2BL7aGyw40HEJ8UST+ZbKrIOpxHJTHugvchyiVYdjpfWLDNv A/cg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4hJd4Yl5YkWZuuhNDuRWEIOqtjo1r9CMC+qXhKodH4o=; b=j5L2rw628XIj+Q86TfGFKjFfIGJGwE8BuQk5AkjRcyMWHOruDlLMfsLUsRxiASr1i7 4uI/+JTVxJaKs8FFm1n8IURoJezGYB7Z9tujoAIAL1xxck6qKElbKesAASbJcf7gjhxw jtsJ/00Qmi5kPSq1V3rpjf82ZsKrDHee/wnZl+NbZYzkCRTRRZQJZY2Xn2zSYcaTN24n A+AV+XI1/zS78VabxHOxaQY0xy+uSYrzltkqvkrBAZQjyk8NDARYj1oKOjywA5dAA2fT 2HLFlcFyO1v0cw4KDHVFgNATkMiR3Vk10GFhq4Tkrp4ZU7QfjrHh/gg0vDo5EfYEtxjL GZBA== X-Received: by 10.180.24.40 with SMTP id r8mr957495wif.5.1371131707880; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:55:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.79.170 with SMTP id k10ls471680wix.42.canary; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:55:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.186.7 with SMTP id cq7mr227629bkb.3.1371131705565; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-x236.google.com (mail-bk0-x236.google.com [2a00:1450:4008:c01::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cm16si1541299bkb.0.2013.06.13.06.55.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4008:c01::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4008:c01::236; Received: by mail-bk0-f54.google.com with SMTP id it16so3213971bkc.27 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:55:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.233.137 with SMTP id jy9mr166317bkb.29.1371131705172; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([128.140.134.63]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rj5sm9526549bkb.1.2013.06.13.06.55.00 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51B9CF33.7060407@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:54:59 +0200 From: Ilmen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] How not to learn lojban References: <1370982616.41923.YahooMailNeo@web184403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <51B8D406.9080200@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <51B8D406.9080200@gmx.de> X-Original-Sender: ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4008:c01::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / selpa'i a =E9crit : > la .ianek. cu cusku di'e >> vu tagda ri la cangu xo finda'a i te zu janvi ke vi'e matni ni blaxadju >> >> How does it not sound like Lojban? > > It very much does. > > But what does Lojban sound like to someone who doesn't know it? > > It would be interesting to get someone without any prior knowledge of=20 > Lojban to give their impression of it. One could play some audio to=20 > them and then ask them to imitate it afterwards. I'm fairly confident=20 > that they would produce something slightly less close to Lojban than=20 > the thing you wrote. (I've heard some people say some very negative=20 > things about how Lojban sounds, so those would likely butcher it on=20 > purpose). > > Virtually anyone could try this experiment at home, as it shouldn't be=20 > hard to find people who don't know Lojban. > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > I'm not sure whether this is relevant to the discussion, but one day I=20 made a (Spanish speaking) linguistic friend (who studies and listened to=20 many different languages) listen to one of your lojbanic recordings,=20 Selpa'i (the one of Godot IIRC), and asked him what did he think of=20 spoken Lojban. His reply was "nothing special, it reminds me of some=20 languages spoken in Africa". :P ni'o mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.