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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:59:20 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] How not to learn lojban
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  Oddly, I've always thought of it  as sounding Japanese, which is strange
because Japanese doesn't have consonant clusters, of course (except with
-n-). Probably because of  the preponderance of vowel-ending words and
cmavo clusters.

      --gejyspa


On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com> wrote:

> selpa'i a =E9crit :
>
>  la .ianek. cu cusku di'e
>>
>>> vu tagda ri la cangu xo finda'a i te zu janvi ke vi'e matni ni blaxadju
>>>
>>> How does it not sound like Lojban?
>>>
>>
>> It very much does.
>>
>> But what does Lojban sound like to someone who doesn't know it?
>>
>> It would be interesting to get someone without any prior knowledge of
>> Lojban to give their impression of it. One could play some audio to them
>> and then ask them to imitate it afterwards. I'm fairly confident that th=
ey
>> would produce something slightly less close to Lojban than the thing you
>> wrote. (I've heard some people say some very negative things about how
>> Lojban sounds, so those would likely butcher it on purpose).
>>
>> Virtually anyone could try this experiment at home, as it shouldn't be
>> hard to find people who don't know Lojban.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>>
>>  I'm not sure whether this is relevant to the discussion, but one day I
> made a (Spanish speaking) linguistic friend (who studies and listened to
> many different languages) listen to one of your lojbanic recordings,
> Selpa'i (the one of Godot IIRC), and asked him what did he think of spoke=
n
> Lojban. His reply was "nothing special, it reminds me of some languages
> spoken in Africa". :P
>
> ni'o mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 Oddly, I&#39;ve always thought of it =A0as sounding Ja=
panese, which is strange because Japanese doesn&#39;t have consonant cluste=
rs, of course (except with -n-). Probably because of =A0the preponderance o=
f vowel-ending words and cmavo clusters.<div>
<br></div><div style>=A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div><div style><br></div></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 1=
3, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Ilmen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ilmen.pok=
ebip@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">selpa&#39;i a =E9crit :<div class=3D"im"><br=
>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
la .ianek. cu cusku di&#39;e<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
vu tagda ri la cangu xo finda&#39;a i te zu janvi ke vi&#39;e matni ni blax=
adju<br>
<br>
How does it not sound like Lojban?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
It very much does.<br>
<br>
But what does Lojban sound like to someone who doesn&#39;t know it?<br>
<br>
It would be interesting to get someone without any prior knowledge of Lojba=
n to give their impression of it. One could play some audio to them and the=
n ask them to imitate it afterwards. I&#39;m fairly confident that they wou=
ld produce something slightly less close to Lojban than the thing you wrote=
. (I&#39;ve heard some people say some very negative things about how Lojba=
n sounds, so those would likely butcher it on purpose).<br>

<br>
Virtually anyone could try this experiment at home, as it shouldn&#39;t be =
hard to find people who don&#39;t know Lojban.<br>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>
I&#39;m not sure whether this is relevant to the discussion, but one day I =
made a (Spanish speaking) linguistic friend (who studies and listened to ma=
ny different languages) listen to one of your lojbanic recordings, Selpa=
9;i (the one of Godot IIRC), and asked him what did he think of spoken Lojb=
an. His reply was &quot;nothing special, it reminds me of some languages sp=
oken in Africa&quot;. :P<br>

<br>
ni&#39;o mi&#39;e la .ilmen. mu&#39;o<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5=
"><br>
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