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Years ago, someone thought hope heard Loglan on a bus in San Frncisco.  It =
turned out to be Albanian (of the South Italian variety, if that matters).

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 13, 2013, at 9:59, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

>   Oddly, I've always thought of it  as sounding Japanese, which is strang=
e because Japanese doesn't have consonant clusters, of course (except with =
-n-). Probably because of  the preponderance of vowel-ending words and cmav=
o clusters.
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>       --gejyspa
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> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com> wrote:
> selpa'i a =E9crit :
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> la .ianek. cu cusku di'e
> vu tagda ri la cangu xo finda'a i te zu janvi ke vi'e matni ni blaxadju
>=20
> How does it not sound like Lojban?
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> It very much does.
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> But what does Lojban sound like to someone who doesn't know it?
>=20
> It would be interesting to get someone without any prior knowledge of Loj=
ban to give their impression of it. One could play some audio to them and t=
hen ask them to imitate it afterwards. I'm fairly confident that they would=
 produce something slightly less close to Lojban than the thing you wrote. =
(I've heard some people say some very negative things about how Lojban soun=
ds, so those would likely butcher it on purpose).
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> Virtually anyone could try this experiment at home, as it shouldn't be ha=
rd to find people who don't know Lojban.
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> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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> I'm not sure whether this is relevant to the discussion, but one day I ma=
de a (Spanish speaking) linguistic friend (who studies and listened to many=
 different languages) listen to one of your lojbanic recordings, Selpa'i (t=
he one of Godot IIRC), and asked him what did he think of spoken Lojban. Hi=
s reply was "nothing special, it reminds me of some languages spoken in Afr=
ica". :P
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Years ago, someone though=
t hope heard Loglan on a bus in San Frncisco. &nbsp;It turned out to be Alb=
anian (of the South Italian variety, if that matters).<br><br>Sent from my =
iPad</div><div><br>On Jun 13, 2013, at 9:59, Michael Turniansky &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; =
Oddly, I've always thought of it &nbsp;as sounding Japanese, which is stran=
ge because Japanese doesn't have consonant clusters, of course (except with=
 -n-). Probably because of &nbsp;the preponderance of vowel-ending words an=
d cmavo clusters.<div>
<br></div><div style=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; --gejyspa</div><div style=3D=
""><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Ilmen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ilmen.pokebip@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">selpa'i a =E9crit :<div class=3D"im"><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
la .ianek. cu cusku di'e<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
vu tagda ri la cangu xo finda'a i te zu janvi ke vi'e matni ni blaxadju<br>
<br>
How does it not sound like Lojban?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
It very much does.<br>
<br>
But what does Lojban sound like to someone who doesn't know it?<br>
<br>
It would be interesting to get someone without any prior knowledge of Lojba=
n to give their impression of it. One could play some audio to them and the=
n ask them to imitate it afterwards. I'm fairly confident that they would p=
roduce something slightly less close to Lojban than the thing you wrote. (I=
've heard some people say some very negative things about how Lojban sounds=
, so those would likely butcher it on purpose).<br>

<br>
Virtually anyone could try this experiment at home, as it shouldn't be hard=
 to find people who don't know Lojban.<br>
<br>
mu'o mi'e la selpa'i<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>
I'm not sure whether this is relevant to the discussion, but one day I made=
 a (Spanish speaking) linguistic friend (who studies and listened to many d=
ifferent languages) listen to one of your lojbanic recordings, Selpa'i (the=
 one of Godot IIRC), and asked him what did he think of spoken Lojban. His =
reply was "nothing special, it reminds me of some languages spoken in Afric=
a". :P<br>

<br>
ni'o mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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