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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:56:38 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Translating "as"
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"xekri je mlatu" is not any amount of objects.  It's a selbri.  "lo xekri
je mlatu" is an object. "xekri je mlatu" is a description of  all objects
that are both black and cats.

    --gejsypa


On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:44 AM, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Sunday, November 11, 2012 4:50:40 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM, selpa'i <sel...@gmx.de> wrote:
>> >
>> > I think you can attach the "qua" tag with a {be} or {pe} to attach it
>> to one
>> > of the arguments.
>>
>> If you are happy with "pe" for that, then you don't need anything else:
>>
>> xu zo menli poi cmene cu melbi do
>>
>> "poi" would be used to restrict to a particular aspect or capacity of
>> an individual rather than to some particular individual(s) from a set.
>> (That sort of matches the etymology of "qua" too.)
>>
>
>
> Of course one can create any experimental cmavo. And we could imagine a
> {vo'o'oi} (selmaho NOI) that would distribute over properties of the same
> object rather than individuals.
> But it's all philosophy (see the thread on object vs. properties vs.
> process languages).
>
> But in this case we should solve the same problem for conjunctions.
> What is {xekri je mlatu}? One black cat or two objects, one black and
> another one being a cat?
>
>
>
>
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">&quot;xekri je mlatu&quot; is not any amount of objects. =
=A0It&#39;s a selbri. =A0&quot;lo xekri je mlatu&quot; is an object. &quot;=
xekri je mlatu&quot; is a description of =A0all objects that are both black=
 and cats.<div>
<br></div><div>=A0 =A0 --gejsypa</div><div><br><div><br></div></div></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 14=
, 2013 at 2:44 AM, la arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:glek=
i.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br>On Sunday, November 11, 2012 4:50:40=
 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:<div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex">
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM, selpa&#39;i &lt;<a>sel...@gmx.de</a>&gt; w=
rote:
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; I think you can attach the &quot;qua&quot; tag with a {be} or {pe}=
 to attach it to one
<br>&gt; of the arguments.
<br>
<br>If you are happy with &quot;pe&quot; for that, then you don&#39;t need =
anything else:
<br>
<br>xu zo menli poi cmene cu melbi do
<br>
<br>&quot;poi&quot; would be used to restrict to a particular aspect or cap=
acity of
<br>an individual rather than to some particular individual(s) from a set.
<br>(That sort of matches the etymology of &quot;qua&quot; too.)
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div>Of course one can=
 create any experimental cmavo. And we could imagine a {vo&#39;o&#39;oi} (s=
elmaho NOI) that would distribute over properties of the same object rather=
 than individuals.</div>
<div>But it&#39;s all philosophy (see the thread on object vs. properties v=
s. process languages).</div><div><br></div><div>But in this case we should =
solve the same problem for conjunctions.</div><div>What is {xekri je mlatu}=
? One black cat or two objects, one black and another one being a cat?</div=
>
<div class=3D"im"><div>=A0</div><div><br></div><div>=A0</div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes
<br></blockquote>

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