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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:02:55 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Translating "as"
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On 14 June 2013 09:24, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Friday, June 14, 2013 3:56:38 PM UTC+4, gejyspa wrote:
>>
>> "xekri je mlatu" is not any amount of objects.  It's a selbri.  "lo xekri
>> je mlatu" is an object. "xekri je mlatu" is a description of  all objects
>> that are both black and cats.
>
>
> Okay.
> 1. How would you describe one object that is black and white but at
> different time?

{xekri fa'u blabi ca lo remei}

(By the way, I have always wanted a LAhE for {fa'u} such as {vu'i} is
for {ce'o}.)

> 2. How would you describe two objects, one black and another one white?
>

{xekri jo'u blabi}, or even {xekri ja blabi}, but, most likely, I
would just describe them separately:
{lo xekri [ku] jo'u lo blabi}

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:44 AM, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 11, 2012 4:50:40 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM, selpa'i <sel...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I think you can attach the "qua" tag with a {be} or {pe} to attach it
>>>> > to one
>>>> > of the arguments.
>>>>
>>>> If you are happy with "pe" for that, then you don't need anything else:
>>>>
>>>> xu zo menli poi cmene cu melbi do
>>>>
>>>> "poi" would be used to restrict to a particular aspect or capacity of
>>>> an individual rather than to some particular individual(s) from a set.
>>>> (That sort of matches the etymology of "qua" too.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course one can create any experimental cmavo. And we could imagine a
>>> {vo'o'oi} (selmaho NOI) that would distribute over properties of the same
>>> object rather than individuals.
>>> But it's all philosophy (see the thread on object vs. properties vs.
>>> process languages).
>>>
>>> But in this case we should solve the same problem for conjunctions.
>>> What is {xekri je mlatu}? One black cat or two objects, one black and
>>> another one being a cat?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>>
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