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Subject: Re: [lojban] Translating "as"
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On Friday, June 14, 2013 5:04:59 PM UTC+4, gejyspa wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:24 AM, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> On Friday, June 14, 2013 3:56:38 PM UTC+4, gejyspa wrote:
>>>
>>> "xekri je mlatu" is not any amount of objects.  It's a selbri.  "lo 
>>> xekri je mlatu" is an object. "xekri je mlatu" is a description of  all 
>>> objects that are both black and cats.
>>>
>>
>> Okay. 
>> 1. How would you describe one object that is black and white but at 
>> different time?
>> 2. How would you describe two objects, one black and another one white?
>>
>>      Well, in the first case, I'd probably make that explicit with 
> relative phrases or tanru, but since we are dealing with the question of 
> conjunctions....
>     That's what JOI are for.
>     First the might use lo xekri ju'e blabi (jo'u might work as well, but 
> might imply either an  always white or  always black thing) 
>      For the second, the obvious choice lo xekri je lo blabi. 
>

I'm not that sure about {ju'e}  but anyway the question was about NOI.
If {poi} now separates individuals than we have to mirror conjunctions 
(ju'e, je) and NOI-cmavo.
I don't welcome ad hoc decisions in lojban.

 --gejyspa
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<br><br>On Friday, June 14, 2013 5:04:59 PM UTC+4, gejyspa wrote:<blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: =
1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:24 AM, la arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"BG6=
vJvIDuOUJ">gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Friday, June 14, 2013 3:56:38 PM UTC=
+4, gejyspa wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margi=
n-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">"xekri je mlatu" is not any amount of objects. &nbsp;It's =
a selbri. &nbsp;"lo xekri je mlatu" is an object. "xekri je mlatu" is a des=
cription of &nbsp;all objects that are both black and cats.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Okay.&nbsp;</div><div>1. How would y=
ou describe one object that is black and white but at different time?</div>=
<div>2. How would you describe two objects, one black and another one white=
?</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-l=
eft:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v></div></div></blockquote></blockquote></div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Well, in =
the first case, I'd probably make that explicit with relative phrases or ta=
nru, but since we are dealing with the question of conjunctions....</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; That's what JOI are for.</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; First t=
he might use lo xekri ju'e blabi (jo'u might work as well, but might imply =
either an &nbsp;always white or &nbsp;always black thing)&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;For the second, the obvious choice lo xekri je lo =
blabi.&nbsp;</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm not that sure =
about {ju'e} &nbsp;but anyway the question was about NOI.</div><div>If {poi=
} now separates individuals than we have to mirror conjunctions (ju'e, je) =
and NOI-cmavo.</div><div>I don't welcome ad hoc decisions in lojban.</div><=
div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-l=
eft: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div>&nbsp;--gejyspa</div><div><br></div></div>
</blockquote>

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