Received: from mail-pb0-f57.google.com ([209.85.160.57]:56871) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UoCmf-0000dN-BW for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 06:14:25 -0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f57.google.com with SMTP id jt11sf740310pbb.2 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 06:14:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nMggspMBKqZrFA8ce+H2YnEtRuT+cwM1Zr8WOe/P2Cw=; b=VwX3xWk5L11emjXlfnfdyYsu+Uxg32DJpb+d8pNSPtzhKYhrD/P0E+dV2NTTe/U4Gz 2faryYp4nMCfawFhxCbBFbHD3IY0+j23s13JmxuvHu5LcAT6n2qXaF+vjoypGzceFyh2 RqpT5wR77Pig50MXOZI2SSGGDU03iuhagyrPeA1kSR82jyQGaBmNn8VBjdcs7KV/e7kn 7fISALPSOXwm9JyxQfCVGuYzmWTO2SjfIs4mcZ4Z2mOUcUJ9Vt3f1i8oO5KMoo7v0k5b m95J7du/D609oseIwWDH0nWd1YRzgeXduaSe4UcAG4fcWRh9tWfgsl/tUuZnIVC9efpL ifCQ== X-Received: by 10.49.62.3 with SMTP id u3mr270991qer.26.1371388450683; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 06:14:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.39.3 with SMTP id l3ls734493qek.62.gmail; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 06:14:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.174.145 with SMTP id t17mr5574329qaz.4.1371388450137; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 06:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a15si870398qcu.3.2013.06.16.06.14.09 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 06:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.22; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.35]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M1kqC-1UUsTz1Chu-00tnfL for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:14:09 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Jun 2013 13:14:09 -0000 Received: from p5DDC6D19.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [93.220.109.25] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 16 Jun 2013 15:14:09 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/1HE4wNP31KBpr1xOvQoMqSUazRFAhY7+6DpQPwd D4WaBwHhJ3nszz Message-ID: <51BDBA1D.80602@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:14:05 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] "we" and masses. A bug in the CLL? References: <8561d566-8f8b-4b46-9e7b-5fdbc1367b33@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <8561d566-8f8b-4b46-9e7b-5fdbc1367b33@googlegroups.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .arxokuna cu cusku di'e > First let me show an extract from the loglan dictionary. pa mai lo jbobau jo'u lo logbau cu ficysi'u li'a .i lo loglo zo'u: no da valsi lo me zo jo'u moi .i mi stidi tu'a lo cnita xe fanva > mio (p) we/us/ourselves, in the "I/me and others independently" sense, > the 1st 3rd person multiple variable. Equivalent to 'mi, e da'. mi .e su'o mibdrata / mi .e lo mibdrata .i (to lo gapru loglo na ve cusku lo se du'u lo drata be lo cusku cu mo kau .i se ki'u bo za'u pa da cumki xe fanva toi) > mu (p) we/us/ourselves, in the "you and I/me jointly" sense, the 1st 2nd > person set variable. Equivalent to 'mi ze tu'. mi'o = mi jo'u do > miu (p) we/us/ourselves, in the "I/me and others jointly" sense, the 1st > 3rd person set variable. Equivalent to 'mi ze da'. mi jo'u lo mibdrata / mi'a .i la'a zo mi'a banzu .i lo loglo vlacku za'u re'u na satci skicu .i simlu fi mi fe lo ka skudji zoi ly. mi ze le notbi je mi, e tu .ly noi jbimau zo mi'a > mo (p) we/us/ourselves, in the "you and I/me independently" sense, the > 1st 2nd person multiple variable. Equivalent to 'mi, e tu'. ro mi'o = mi .e do mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.