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A bug in the CLL? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2e258d9246104df45e066 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c2e258d9246104df45e066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:27 AM, la arxokuna wrote: > > {mi} or {za'u mi} has certain implications that "we" doesn't have. Side issue: "za'u mi" means "more than one of us", it is not the same as "mi noi za'u mei". Similarly, "pa mi" means "one of us", it does not mean "mi noi pa mei". "pa mi" and "za'u mi" is not the right way to distinguish singular "mi" from plural "mi". mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --001a11c2e258d9246104df45e066 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:27 AM, la arxokuna <= gleki.is.my= .name@gmail.com> wrote:

{mi} or {za'u mi} has certain implic= ations that "we" doesn't have.

Side issue:

"za'u mi" me= ans "more than one of us", it is not the same as "mi noi za&= #39;u mei".

Similarly, "pa m= i" means "one of us", it does not mean "mi noi pa mei&q= uot;.
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"pa mi" and "za'u mi"= ; is not the right way to distinguish singular "mi" from plural &= quot;mi".

mu'o mi'e xorxe= s

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