Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:46:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban] A bug in the CLL 7.6 example 6.14).
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http://dag.github.io/cll/7/6/

For good examples of =93nei=94 and =93no'a=94, we need nested bridi context=
s:

6.14)  mi se pluka le nu do pensi
             le nu nei kei pu le nu do zukte
       I am-pleased-by the event-of (you think-about
             (the event-of [main bridi]) before the-event of (your acting).
       I am pleased that you thought about whether I
             would be pleased (about ...) before you acted.
6.15)  mi ba klama ca le nu do no'a
       I [future] go [present] the event-of you [repeats outer bridi]
       I will go when you do.


Acc. to jvs {nei} =3D pro-bridi: repeats the current bridi.

So the CLL contradicts it.

I also don't understand the meaning of example 6.14) if we assume {nei}=20
refers to the current bridi, not the main bridi (the one that has {se=20
pluka} as a selbri).

I suggest removing 6.14) and replacing it with something having the correct=
=20
usage of {nei}.
I suggested {mi lumci lo nei} (I wash myself) but JCowan said there could=
=20
be much better examples.

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<a href=3D"http://dag.github.io/cll/7/6/">http://dag.github.io/cll/7/6/</a>=
<br><div><br></div><div><p style=3D"font-size: medium; line-height: normal;=
 font-family: sans-serif; text-indent: 1em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">For good =
examples of =93nei=94 and =93no'a=94, we need nested bridi contexts:</p><pr=
e style=3D"padding: 0.4em; background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242); color: rgb=
(0, 0, 0);"><a id=3D"e14" name=3D"e14">6.14)</a>  mi se pluka le nu do pens=
i
             le nu nei kei pu le nu do zukte
       I am-pleased-by the event-of (you think-about
             (the event-of [main bridi]) before the-event of (your acting).
       I am pleased that you thought about whether I
             would be pleased (about ...) before you acted.

<a id=3D"e15" name=3D"e15">6.15)</a>  mi ba klama ca le nu do no'a
       I [future] go [present] the event-of you [repeats outer bridi]
       I will go when you do.</pre></div><div><br></div><div>Acc. to jvs {n=
ei} =3D pro-bridi: repeats the current bridi.</div><div><br></div><div>So t=
he CLL&nbsp;contradicts it.</div><div><br></div><div>I also don't understan=
d the meaning of example 6.14) if we assume {nei} refers to the current bri=
di, not the main bridi (the one that has {se pluka} as a selbri).</div><div=
><br></div><div>I suggest removing 6.14) and replacing it with something ha=
ving the correct usage of {nei}.</div><div>I suggested {mi lumci lo nei} (I=
 wash myself) but JCowan said there could be much better examples.</div>

<p></p>

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