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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sd8si1834819pac.2.2013.06.16.12.26.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UoIaY-0002vo-SE for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:26:10 -0700 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:26:10 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] A bug in the CLL 7.6 example 6.14). Message-ID: <20130616192610.GF29188@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <3729f7bd-3aa6-499c-9a20-4b3d040d3ad8@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3729f7bd-3aa6-499c-9a20-4b3d040d3ad8@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / http://www.lojban.org/tiki/CLL,+aka+Reference+Grammar,+Errata -Robin On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 11:46:40AM -0700, la arxokuna wrote: > http://dag.github.io/cll/7/6/ >=20 > For good examples of =93nei=94 and =93no'a=94, we need nested bridi conte= xts: >=20 > 6.14) mi se pluka le nu do pensi > le nu nei kei pu le nu do zukte > I am-pleased-by the event-of (you think-about > (the event-of [main bridi]) before the-event of (your acting= ). > I am pleased that you thought about whether I > would be pleased (about ...) before you acted. > 6.15) mi ba klama ca le nu do no'a > I [future] go [present] the event-of you [repeats outer bridi] > I will go when you do. >=20 >=20 > Acc. to jvs {nei} =3D pro-bridi: repeats the current bridi. >=20 > So the CLL contradicts it. >=20 > I also don't understand the meaning of example 6.14) if we assume {nei}= =20 > refers to the current bridi, not the main bridi (the one that has {se=20 > pluka} as a selbri). >=20 > I suggest removing 6.14) and replacing it with something having the corre= ct=20 > usage of {nei}. > I suggested {mi lumci lo nei} (I wash myself) but JCowan said there could= =20 > be much better examples. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >=20 >=20 --=20 http://intelligence.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li= 'u --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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