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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:15:54 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] "we" and masses. A bug in the CLL?
From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
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On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 9:14 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> ro mi'o = mi .e do
>
> While I agree with this suggestion (as we already discussed on IRC), I
> disagree with this equation. Instead ro mi'o = ro mi .e ro do. If the 3
> speakers together carry a piano and the 3 listeners together carry a piano
> then {mi .e do bevri lo pipno} is true while {ro mi'o bevri lo pipno} is
> false.
>
> mi'e la latro'a mu'o
>
Note that this statement is based on a {jo'u}-connected form of {mi'o},
which is not how the word is defined in CLL. Without this, {ro mi'o} is
almost always just {mi'o}, since there is typically only one mass of {mi'o}.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S=
un, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:blindbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<div class=3D"im"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 9:14 A=
M, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" targ=
et=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
ro mi&#39;o =3D mi .e do</blockquote></div></div>While I agree with this su=
ggestion (as we already discussed on IRC), I disagree with this equation. I=
nstead ro mi&#39;o =3D ro mi .e ro do. If the 3 speakers together carry a p=
iano and the 3 listeners together carry a piano then {mi .e do bevri lo pip=
no} is true while {ro mi&#39;o bevri lo pipno} is false.<br>

<br>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br></div></div></blockquote><div>Note =
that this statement is based on a {jo&#39;u}-connected form of {mi&#39;o}, =
which is not how the word is defined in CLL. Without this, {ro mi&#39;o} is=
 almost always just {mi&#39;o}, since there is typically only one mass of {=
mi&#39;o}.<br>
<br>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o <br></div></div><br></div></div>

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