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A bug in the CLL? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3440540b7b9f04df5135fc X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b3440540b7b9f04df5135fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I assumed {mio} was a typo for {mi'o}. If not, then it's Loglan. stevo On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 10:06 PM, John E Clifford wrote: > I'm still finding this confusing, probably partly from Lojban terminology. > mi'o is apparently the union of mi and do, written {mi jo'e do}?, without > comment about how they interact with properties. To say, {ro mi'o}then > says that they interact distributively and completely and thus amount to > {ro mi e ro do}, as noted. Of course, other quantifiers would not break > down so easily {su'o mi'o} is surely {su'o mi a su'o do} but nothing else > works (well, {no ... e...}). I don't get the point about {mio}, largely > because I don't quite see what it is supposed to be (it isn't given > anywhere and doesn't appear to be Lojban). > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* selpa'i > *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:52 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [lojban] "we" and masses. A bug in the CLL? > > la latro'a cu cusku di'e > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 9:14 AM, selpa'i > > wrote: > > > > ro mi'o = mi .e do > > > > While I agree with this suggestion (as we already discussed on IRC), I > > disagree with this equation. Instead ro mi'o = ro mi .e ro do. > > Good point. I made the same point with the "mio" translation, but just > went with singular {mi} and {do} here. {ro mi .e ro do} is obviously better. > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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I assumed {mio} was a typo for {mi'o}. If not, then it= 's Loglan.=A0

stevo


On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 10:0= 6 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm still finding this confusing, probably partly from Lo= jban terminology. mi'o is apparently the union of mi and do, written {m= i jo'e do}?,=A0 without comment about how they interact with properties= .=A0 To say, {ro mi'o}then says that they interact distributively and c= ompletely and thus amount to {ro mi e ro do}, as noted.=A0 Of course, other= quantifiers would not break down so easily {su'o mi'o} is surely {su'o mi a su'o do} but nothing else works (we= ll, {no ... e...}). I don't get the point about {mio}, largely because = I don't quite see what it is supposed to be (it isn't given anywher= e and doesn't appear to be Lojban).


From: selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de= >
To: lojban@googlegroups.com <= br> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2= 013 5:52 PM

Subject: Re: [lojban] &= quot;we" and masses. A bug in the CLL?

la latro'a cu cusku di'e
> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 9:14 AM, s= elpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de
> <mailto:seladwa@gmx.de>> wrote:<= br> >
>=A0 =A0 ro mi'o =3D mi .e do
>
> While I agr= ee with this suggestion (as we already discussed on IRC), I
> disagre= e with this equation. Instead ro mi'o =3D ro mi .e ro do.

Good p= oint. I made the same point with the "mio" translation, but just = went with singular {mi} and {do} here. {ro mi .e ro do} is obviously better= .

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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