Received: from mail-vb0-f59.google.com ([209.85.212.59]:45324) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UopCb-0007W2-8h for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:15:41 -0700 Received: by mail-vb0-f59.google.com with SMTP id 12sf1273299vbf.14 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:15:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=coiscD1qPrqMopCR0lSHqM72sbxf3SR80Tu8aE/ITZA=; b=MuzZzucgysPAhstcQ65jFq5abyqjIeYCUWIMUDCg8hSiln6vmqTNuM+J+d0udLELmN /wx/GncAWr3PC/HeG6vUro+97JDN23bkJoNi7CiFipvEdaO3YBCYo33FFLHkayRuN0sF THwBsGYixCBhtWJbTcCzItGy3hsgYJZd2Z2j/Je11jlE4ysAhgqvBLtf4/JfhxYOM9sz Rv42Zww0UFXaJlHm/uIXo6SQ+MRsmrmWu0SPZxgJnfhpkmlexvFjE6W+pAPl9c52begE 6zoB4jnPYBgmeCtCJ6B5cC2r5qHfRZiMY77DZT0KvaWbVIVYM13yZwQMvF4+aK8KDySx jmPw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=coiscD1qPrqMopCR0lSHqM72sbxf3SR80Tu8aE/ITZA=; b=aaUL+4gKQ+5EjZr3413qAqbjn4grizSWogMx5LvWx+3KcLO5oLTkmhCHMv1gSpJkHo dMhTts1++v6m0IQ7z0pGB685u+FdvJtk9izlDUJ5BAnUM+OqUl2BaQIZBOgOjf550zBs rFTA09DLxexAPYmsPvONgaWpqgMwLYUsWdYDUf8jZA2DEIhiDHraCtfJfwR/uig/9/na owfGBUFJvdWfc2haheZGxm/OMQfK0ElRGCJK7TYaM8VzpIbfCPVOQbN6iiJUAfBQqsuN BhvB/kl7WsTilHnJwzHIN6gwguFOYZm8kJS+Zu39JKD2r8IFYu5R98hUtODifj++8MlR QLAQ== X-Received: by 10.50.18.40 with SMTP id t8mr572983igd.3.1371536130197; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:15:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.61.230 with SMTP id t6ls1431872igr.7.canary; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:15:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.98.1 with SMTP id ee1mr573191igb.5.1371536129683; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:15:28 -0700 (PDT) From: guskant To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3729f7bd-3aa6-499c-9a20-4b3d040d3ad8@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] A bug in the CLL 7.6 example 6.14). MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gusni.kantu@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_266_25596668.1371536129010" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_266_25596668.1371536129010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have a question. Is a {sei} bridi in a bridi called an embedded bridi? For example, 1) ko'a ko'e sei nei brode se'u broda 2) ko'a ko'e sei no'a brode se'u broda In which sentence is {broda} repeated, or neither? On the other hand, I think a {to} sentence in a bridi is neither an embedded sentence nor a part of the bridi in this context. For example, 3) ko'a ko'e to nei brode toi broda 4) ko'a ko'e to no'a brode toi broda in neither 3) nor 4), {broda} is repeated; or am I wrong? A {sei} bridi is grammatically a free modifier just like a {to} sentence, but semantically a metalinguistic bridi, which is somehow similar in meaning to {BAI lonu} bridi, which is clearly an embedded bridi, in which {no'a} works. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_266_25596668.1371536129010 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a question. Is a {sei} bridi in a bridi called an embedded brid= i? For example,

1) ko'a ko'e sei nei brode se'u br= oda
2) ko'a ko'e sei no'a brode se'u broda
In which sen= tence is {broda} repeated, or neither? 

On th= e other hand, I think a {to} sentence in a bridi is neither an embedded sen= tence nor a part of the bridi in this context. For example,
3) ko= 'a ko'e to nei brode toi broda
4) ko'a ko'e to no'a brode toi bro= da
in neither 3) nor 4), {broda} is repeated; or am I wrong?

A {sei} bridi is grammatically a free modifier just li= ke a {to} sentence, but semantically a metalinguistic bridi, which is someh= ow similar in meaning to {BAI lonu} bridi, which is clearly an embedded bri= di, in which {no'a} works.

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