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Subject: Re: [lojban] A bug in the CLL 7.6 example 6.14).
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On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:15:28 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:
>
> I have a question. Is a {sei} bridi in a bridi called an embedded bridi? 
> For example,
>
> 1) ko'a ko'e sei nei brode se'u broda
> 2) ko'a ko'e sei no'a brode se'u broda
> In which sentence is {broda} repeated, or neither? 
>
> On the other hand, I think a {to} sentence in a bridi is neither an 
> embedded sentence nor a part of the bridi in this context. For example,
> 3) ko'a ko'e to nei brode toi broda
> 4) ko'a ko'e to no'a brode toi broda
> in neither 3) nor 4), {broda} is repeated; or am I wrong?
>
> A {sei} bridi is grammatically a free modifier just like a {to} sentence, 
> but semantically a metalinguistic bridi, which is somehow similar in 
> meaning to {BAI lonu} bridi, which is clearly an embedded bridi, in which 
> {no'a} works.
>

I can only answer to the last sentence.

in {broda fi'o brode lo nu brodi} broda is actually embedded inside 
*brode*. As it's roughly expanded into

{lo nu broda cu se brode lo nu brodi}.

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<br><br>On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:15:28 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left=
: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div>I have a question. Is a {sei} bri=
di in a bridi called an embedded bridi? For example,</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>1) ko'a ko'e sei nei brode se'u broda</div><div>2) ko'a ko'e sei no'a br=
ode se'u broda</div><div>In which sentence is {broda} repeated, or neither?=
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>On the other hand, I think a {to} sentence =
in a bridi is neither an embedded sentence nor a part of the bridi in this =
context. For example,</div><div>3) ko'a ko'e to nei brode toi broda</div><d=
iv>4) ko'a ko'e to no'a brode toi broda</div><div>in neither 3) nor 4), {br=
oda} is repeated; or am I wrong?</div><div><br></div><div>A {sei} bridi is =
grammatically a free modifier just like a {to} sentence, but semantically a=
 metalinguistic bridi, which is somehow similar in meaning to {BAI lonu} br=
idi, which is clearly an embedded bridi, in which {no'a} works.</div></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div><div>I can only answer to the last sentence.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>in {broda fi'o brode lo nu brodi} broda is actually embedd=
ed inside *brode*. As it's roughly expanded into</div><div><br></div><div>{=
lo nu broda cu se brode lo nu brodi}.</div><div><br></div>

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