Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:42:55 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [lojban] "we" and masses. A bug in the CLL?
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On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:09:08 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:
>
> Well, yes, anaphora is one of those places where Lojban falls short, so an 
> ideal loglang would handle it differently.  But that doesn't seem to be 
> directly relevant here, *{da'au} isn't being used anaphorically here
>

True. Although it can be used in anaphorical way as in natlangs. Which 
would of course lead to the same ambiguity as in "Mike saw John. He hit 
him". And of course I agree that {my.} and {jy.} can work better even if 
such trick is not used in your native language.
And of course I'm not serious of really using these three new cmavo. 
(Although who knows, foi'V <http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Experimental+FA>are 
useful but who remembers about them now?)

, nor in the various versions of "we" ,which does not always include the 
> notion, or indeed the second person either -- salience again.  We are the 
> salient group who is speaking through the utterance of one of us.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>

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<br><br>On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:09:08 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left=
: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Well, ye=
s, anaphora is one of those places where Lojban falls short, so an ideal lo=
glang would handle it differently. &nbsp;But that doesn't seem to be direct=
ly relevant here, *{da'au} isn't being used anaphorically here</div></div><=
/blockquote><div><br></div><div>True. Although it can be used in anaphorica=
l way as in natlangs. Which would of course lead to the same ambiguity as i=
n "Mike saw John. He hit him". And of course I agree that {my.} and {jy.} c=
an work better even if such trick is not used in your native language.</div=
><div>And of course I'm not serious of really using these three new cmavo. =
(Although who knows, <a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Experimental+FA"=
>foi'V </a>are useful but who remembers about them now?)</div><div><br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;b=
order-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><di=
v>, nor in the various versions of "we" ,which does not always include the =
notion, or indeed the second person either -- salience again. &nbsp;We are =
the salient group who is speaking through the utterance of one of us.</div>=
<div><br>Sent from my iPad</div></div></blockquote>

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