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 Content preview:  But it misses (not commenting on whether would ever really
    want to do this). "we" is clearly plural but says nothing about how the members
    of that plurality are related to this nu cusku, beyond the fact that one
   member (already in {mi}) is uttering the instant token. In particular, they
    may all be saying this or only the one who is uttering it, and some may be
    among its target audience and some not. [...] 
 
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But it misses (not commenting on whether would ever really want to do this)=
.  "we" is clearly plural but says nothing about how the members of that pl=
urality are related to this nu cusku, beyond the fact that one member (alre=
ady in {mi}) is uttering the instant token.  In particular, they may all be=
 saying this or only the one who is uttering it, and some may be among its =
target audience and some not.

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On Jun 18, 2013, at 23:58, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

>=20
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> On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:19:05 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
> gleki, I think you're too vlafi'i happy, for one thing, and nothing said =
in this entire thread has changed my mind about this all being a non-issue.
>=20
> The issue comes only when trying to precisely translate some sentences in=
to lojban retaining the same level of vagueness.
> =20
>=20
> --=20
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
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> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>But it misses (not commen=
ting on whether would ever really want to do this). &nbsp;"we" is clearly p=
lural but says nothing about how the members of that plurality are related =
to this nu cusku, beyond the fact that one member (already in {mi}) is utte=
ring the instant token. &nbsp;In particular, they may all be saying this or=
 only the one who is uttering it, and some may be among its target audience=
 and some not.<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Jun 18, 2013, at 2=
3:58, la arxokuna &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com">gleki.i=
s.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div><br><br>On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:19:05 PM UTC+4, aionys =
wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8=
ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">gleki, I think you're to=
o vlafi'i happy, for one thing, and nothing said in this entire thread has =
changed my mind about this all being a non-issue.<br clear=3D"all"></blockq=
uote><div><br></div><div>The issue comes only when trying to precisely tran=
slate some sentences into lojban retaining the same level of vagueness.</di=
v><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;mar=
gin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br>-- <br>=
mu'o mi'e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.lu=
k. mi patfu do zo'o<br>
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
</blockquote>

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