Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:26:18 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [lojban] "we" and masses. A bug in the CLL?
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On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:57:00 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:
>
> But it misses (not commenting on whether would ever really want to do 
> this).  "we" is clearly plural but says nothing about how the members of 
> that plurality are related to this nu cusku, beyond the fact that one 
> member (already in {mi}) is uttering the instant token.  In particular, 
> they may all be saying this or only the one who is uttering it, and some 
> may be among its target audience and some not.
>

Do you mean that "we" can also assume that {le cusku be dei} can include 
more than one individual ("We are the Borg") and no individuals outside 
this dialog?


> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 18, 2013, at 23:58, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com<javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:19:05 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>>
>> gleki, I think you're too vlafi'i happy, for one thing, and nothing said 
>> in this entire thread has changed my mind about this all being a non-issue.
>>
>
> The issue comes only when trying to precisely translate some sentences 
> into lojban retaining the same level of vagueness.
>  
>
>>
>> -- 
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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<br><br>On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:57:00 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:<block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-le=
ft: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>But it=
 misses (not commenting on whether would ever really want to do this). &nbs=
p;"we" is clearly plural but says nothing about how the members of that plu=
rality are related to this nu cusku, beyond the fact that one member (alrea=
dy in {mi}) is uttering the instant token. &nbsp;In particular, they may al=
l be saying this or only the one who is uttering it, and some may be among =
its target audience and some not.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></di=
v><div>Do you mean that "we" can also assume that {le cusku be dei} can inc=
lude more than one individual ("We are the Borg") and no individuals outsid=
e this dialog?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: =
1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On =
Jun 18, 2013, at 23:58, la arxokuna &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_=
blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"fcjHdy98rpYJ">gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><br><br>On T=
uesday, June 18, 2013 11:19:05 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:<blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">gleki, I think you're too vlafi'i happy, for one thing, =
and nothing said in this entire thread has changed my mind about this all b=
eing a non-issue.<br clear=3D"all"></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The iss=
ue comes only when trying to precisely translate some sentences into lojban=
 retaining the same level of vagueness.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>-- <br>mu'o mi'e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e'ucai k=
o cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o<br>
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
</blockquote>

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