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 Content preview:  Yes, and even with {lo}. {cusku} is not {bacru} (and even
   that can have more than one, hence choruses). Nor need it be nearly as intimate
    as the Borg; consider "informed sources said today". Sent from my iPad [...]
    
 
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Yes, and even with {lo}.  {cusku} is not {bacru} (and even that can have mo=
re than one, hence choruses). Nor need it be nearly as intimate as the Borg=
; consider "informed sources said today".

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 19, 2013, at 9:26, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:57:00 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:
> But it misses (not commenting on whether would ever really want to do thi=
s).  "we" is clearly plural but says nothing about how the members of that =
plurality are related to this nu cusku, beyond the fact that one member (al=
ready in {mi}) is uttering the instant token.  In particular, they may all =
be saying this or only the one who is uttering it, and some may be among it=
s target audience and some not.
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> Do you mean that "we" can also assume that {le cusku be dei} can include =
more than one individual ("We are the Borg") and no individuals outside thi=
s dialog?
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>=20
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Jun 18, 2013, at 23:58, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:19:05 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>> gleki, I think you're too vlafi'i happy, for one thing, and nothing said=
 in this entire thread has changed my mind about this all being a non-issue=
.
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>> The issue comes only when trying to precisely translate some sentences i=
nto lojban retaining the same level of vagueness.
>> =20
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>> --=20
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>=20
>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Yes, and even with {lo}. =
&nbsp;{cusku} is not {bacru} (and even that can have more than one, hence c=
horuses). Nor need it be nearly as intimate as the Borg; consider "informed=
 sources said today".<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Jun 19, 201=
3, at 9:26, la arxokuna &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com">g=
leki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div><br><br>On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:57:00 PM UTC+4, =
clifford wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-=
left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D=
"#FFFFFF"><div>But it misses (not commenting on whether would ever really w=
ant to do this). &nbsp;"we" is clearly plural but says nothing about how th=
e members of that plurality are related to this nu cusku, beyond the fact t=
hat one member (already in {mi}) is uttering the instant token. &nbsp;In pa=
rticular, they may all be saying this or only the one who is uttering it, a=
nd some may be among its target audience and some not.<br></div></div></blo=
ckquote><div><br></div><div>Do you mean that "we" can also assume that {le =
cusku be dei} can include more than one individual ("We are the Borg") and =
no individuals outside this dialog?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div><br>Sent from my =
iPad</div><div><br>On Jun 18, 2013, at 23:58, la arxokuna &lt;<a href=3D"ja=
vascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"fcjHdy98rpYJ">gleki.i=
s...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div><br><br>On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:19:05 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote=
:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">gleki, I think you're too vlafi'i =
happy, for one thing, and nothing said in this entire thread has changed my=
 mind about this all being a non-issue.<br clear=3D"all"></blockquote><div>=
<br></div><div>The issue comes only when trying to precisely translate some=
 sentences into lojban retaining the same level of vagueness.</div><div>&nb=
sp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>-- <br>mu'o mi'e .aion=
ys.<br><br>.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do =
zo'o<br>
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
</blockquote>

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