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A bug in the CLL? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16_11952146.1371727887452" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_16_11952146.1371727887452 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:16:50 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote: > > I thought I just did. > Where is {dei} in {lo za'u cusku}. Does "we" include only those who speak or those to whom something is spoken? No. "we" is either {mi no'u za'umei} or {mi jo'u da poi prenu gi'e na'e cusku be dei gi'e na'e te cusku be dei} > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 20, 2013, at 0:47, la arxokuna > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:19:41 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote: >> >> Oops! I probably should have said {na'i} (false dichotomy) since "we" is >> actually neither. It is, however, contextual, "the salient group of the >> speaker and associate(s)", exactly {lo za'u cusku}, I I think. >> > > > Do you think you can give a precise definition of {zo'oi we} in Lojban? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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On Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:16:50 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:
I thoug= ht I just did. 


Where is {dei}  in {lo za'u cusku}. Does "we" include only th= ose who speak or those to whom something is spoken? No.

"we" is either {mi no'u za'umei} or {mi jo'u da poi prenu gi'e na'e c= usku be dei gi'e na'e te cusku be dei}


Sent from my= iPad

On Jun 20, 2013, at 0:47, la arxokuna <gleki.i= s...@gmail.com> wrote:



On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:19:41 PM UTC+4, clifford w= rote:
= Oops!  I probably should have said {na'i} (false dichotomy) since "we"= is actually neither.  It is, however, contextual, "the salient group = of the speaker and associate(s)", exactly {lo za'u cusku}, I I think.


Do you think you = can give a precise definition of {zo'oi we} in Lojban?

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