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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:58:19 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] A bug in the CLL 7.6 example 6.14).
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  I believe in in none of those cases does nei or no'a "work".  I don't
consider that sei-se'u constructions can "see" the sentence they are
talking about it.  It would make about as much sense as:
lo mamta cusku lu vo'a nitcu lo nu klama lo zarci li'u
and claiming that "vo'a" refers to "lo mamta" (contrariwise, "lo mamta
cusku lo se du'u  vo'a nitcu lo nu klama lo zarci" does work)
              --gejyspa


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:15 AM, guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a question. Is a {sei} bridi in a bridi called an embedded bridi?
> For example,
>
> 1) ko'a ko'e sei nei brode se'u broda
> 2) ko'a ko'e sei no'a brode se'u broda
> In which sentence is {broda} repeated, or neither?
>
> On the other hand, I think a {to} sentence in a bridi is neither an
> embedded sentence nor a part of the bridi in this context. For example,
> 3) ko'a ko'e to nei brode toi broda
> 4) ko'a ko'e to no'a brode toi broda
> in neither 3) nor 4), {broda} is repeated; or am I wrong?
>
> A {sei} bridi is grammatically a free modifier just like a {to} sentence,
> but semantically a metalinguistic bridi, which is somehow similar in
> meaning to {BAI lonu} bridi, which is clearly an embedded bridi, in which
> {no'a} works.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 I believe in in none of those cases does nei or no&#39=
;a &quot;work&quot;. =A0I don&#39;t consider that sei-se&#39;u construction=
s can &quot;see&quot; the sentence they are talking about it. =A0It would m=
ake about as much sense as:<div style>
lo mamta cusku lu vo&#39;a nitcu lo nu klama lo zarci li&#39;u=A0</div><div=
 style>and claiming that &quot;vo&#39;a&quot; refers to &quot;lo mamta&quot=
; (contrariwise, &quot;lo mamta cusku lo se du&#39;u =A0vo&#39;a nitcu lo n=
u klama lo zarci&quot; does work)</div>
<div style>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div><div style><br></div>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue,=
 Jun 18, 2013 at 2:15 AM, guskant <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g=
usni.kantu@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gusni.kantu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>I have a question. Is a {sei} bridi in =
a bridi called an embedded bridi? For example,</div><div><br></div><div>1) =
ko&#39;a ko&#39;e sei nei brode se&#39;u broda</div>
<div>2) ko&#39;a ko&#39;e sei no&#39;a brode se&#39;u broda</div><div>In wh=
ich sentence is {broda} repeated, or neither?=A0</div><div><br></div><div>O=
n the other hand, I think a {to} sentence in a bridi is neither an embedded=
 sentence nor a part of the bridi in this context. For example,</div>
<div>3) ko&#39;a ko&#39;e to nei brode toi broda</div><div>4) ko&#39;a ko&#=
39;e to no&#39;a brode toi broda</div><div>in neither 3) nor 4), {broda} is=
 repeated; or am I wrong?</div><div><br></div><div>A {sei} bridi is grammat=
ically a free modifier just like a {to} sentence, but semantically a metali=
nguistic bridi, which is somehow similar in meaning to {BAI lonu} bridi, wh=
ich is clearly an embedded bridi, in which {no&#39;a} works.</div>
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