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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Friday, June 21, 2013 02:29:23 la arxokuna wrote: > mi'a got a request to explain the difference between {lo} and {le} with > good examples from English. The person who is asking for that is not > satisfied with what is described in BPFK sections of lojban.org. Please > help. [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: lojban.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid On Friday, June 21, 2013 02:29:23 la arxokuna wrote: > mi'a got a request to explain the difference between {lo} and {le} with > good examples from English. The person who is asking for that is not > satisfied with what is described in BPFK sections of lojban.org. Please > help. If there's only one referent, both "lo" and "le" are correct, and I prefer "lo". For example, unless the universe of discourse includes inhabited planets orbiting other stars, there's only one solri, and I'd say "lo solri". The habit of using "a" the first time something is mentioned and "the" thereafter is to be avoided in Lojban. The way to indicate this in Lojban (if it's necessary to indicate) is "bi'u", e.g.: ni'o le bi'u cmalu bloti ze'epu naku xe klama ... .i lo cmalu finpe kilto cu plipe le bloti le xamsi When talking about a species, meaning all or typical members of the species, use "lo": lo guakmaio be la blanu joi pelxu cu xabju lo ketco solni'atutra The blue-and-gold macaw lives in tropical South America. It is also correct to use "lo'e". Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.