Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 05:49:32 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo}
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On Friday, June 21, 2013 4:01:54 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>
> On Friday, June 21, 2013 02:29:23 la arxokuna wrote: 
> > mi'a got a request to explain the difference between {lo} and {le} with 
> > good examples from English. The person who is asking for that is not 
> > satisfied with what is described in BPFK sections of lojban.org. Please 
> > help. 
>
> If there's only one referent, both "lo" and "le" are correct, and I prefer 
> "lo". For example, unless the universe of discourse includes inhabited 
> planets 
> orbiting other stars, there's only one solri, and I'd say "lo solri". 
>
> The habit of using "a" the first time something is mentioned and "the" 
> thereafter is to be avoided in Lojban. The way to indicate this in Lojban 
> (if 
> it's necessary to indicate) is "bi'u", e.g.: 
> ni'o le bi'u cmalu bloti 
> ze'epu naku xe klama 
> ... 
> .i lo cmalu finpe kilto cu 
> plipe le bloti le xamsi 
>

Then what would be the difference from {lo bi'unai bloti}?

And earlier you said "{le} is what you say when you have a particular thing 
in mind". Isn't everything we talk about we have somehow in mind?

Sorry, I'm not joking. This is really a question from the russian 
jbo-community. I need to explain it somehow.


> When talking about a species, meaning all or typical members of the 
> species, 
> use "lo": 
> lo guakmaio be la blanu joi pelxu cu xabju lo ketco solni'atutra 
> The blue-and-gold macaw lives in tropical South America. 
> It is also correct to use "lo'e". 
>

And again I can't see why can't we use {le} or {le'e}. You are talking 
about macaw living in America so you have them in mind although you might 
no necessarily saw them.
 

>
> Pierre 
> -- 
> lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko 
>
>

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<br><br>On Friday, June 21, 2013 4:01:54 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:<bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-l=
eft: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Friday, June 21, 2013 02:29:23 l=
a arxokuna wrote:
<br>&gt; mi'a got a request to explain the difference between {lo} and {le}=
 with
<br>&gt; good examples from English. The person who is asking for that is n=
ot
<br>&gt; satisfied with what is described in BPFK sections of <a href=3D"ht=
tp://lojban.org" target=3D"_blank">lojban.org</a>. Please
<br>&gt; help.
<br>
<br>If there's only one referent, both "lo" and "le" are correct, and I pre=
fer=20
<br>"lo". For example, unless the universe of discourse includes inhabited =
planets=20
<br>orbiting other stars, there's only one solri, and I'd say "lo solri".
<br>
<br>The habit of using "a" the first time something is mentioned and "the"=
=20
<br>thereafter is to be avoided in Lojban. The way to indicate this in Lojb=
an (if=20
<br>it's necessary to indicate) is "bi'u", e.g.:
<br>ni'o le bi'u cmalu bloti
<br>ze'epu naku xe klama
<br>...
<br>.i lo cmalu finpe kilto cu
<br>plipe le bloti le xamsi
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Then what would be the difference from=
 {lo bi'unai bloti}?</div><div><br></div><div>And earlier you said "{le} is=
 what you say when you have a particular thing in mind". Isn't everything w=
e talk about we have somehow in mind?</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry, I'm n=
ot joking. This is really a question from the russian jbo-community. I need=
 to explain it somehow.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-l=
eft: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>When talking about a species, meaning all or typical members of the spe=
cies,=20
<br>use "lo":
<br>lo guakmaio be la blanu joi pelxu cu xabju lo ketco solni'atutra
<br>The blue-and-gold macaw lives in tropical South America.
<br>It is also correct to use "lo'e".
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>And again I can't see why can't we use=
 {le} or {le'e}. You are talking about macaw living in America so you have =
them in mind although you might no necessarily saw them.</div><div>&nbsp;</=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex=
;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>Pierre
<br>--=20
<br>lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko
<br>
<br></blockquote>

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