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 Content preview:  As the discussion so far indicates, the best advice for beginning
    ( and intermediate, at least) Lojbanists is "Don't use {le}". There is very
    little you can do with {le} that you can't do as well, or better, with {lo}.
    Indeed, a fairly large percentage of uses of the former in the corpus are
    either flat wrong or unnecessary, even among the more recent entries. ( I
    have no data to back this claim up beyond just noticing how often it turns
    up inappropriately.). Since you are dealing with Russian speakers, you don't
    have the "a-the" problem of Western European languages to overcome and so
    can introduce {lo broda} for nouns in general. Sent from my iPad [...] 
 
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As the discussion so far indicates, the best advice for beginning ( and int=
ermediate, at least) Lojbanists is "Don't use {le}".  There is very little =
you can do with {le} that you can't do as well, or better, with {lo}.  Inde=
ed, a fairly large percentage of uses of the former in the corpus are eithe=
r flat wrong or unnecessary, even among the more recent entries.  ( I have =
no data to back this claim up beyond just noticing how often it turns up in=
appropriately.). Since you are dealing with Russian speakers, you don't hav=
e the "a-the" problem of Western European languages to overcome and so can =
introduce {lo broda} for nouns in general.
Sent from my iPad

On Jun 21, 2013, at 9:37, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Friday, June 21, 2013 5:39:52 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
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> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:15 AM, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wro=
te:
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> I guess in 99% of cases {le} denotes real objects endured in time and spa=
ce.
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> If you were to say that in Lojban, would you use "le" for "real objects e=
ndured in time and space"?=20
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> me? idk. mi na jbocre
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> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>As the discussion so far =
indicates, the best advice for beginning ( and intermediate, at least) Lojb=
anists is "Don't use {le}". &nbsp;There is very little you can do with {le}=
 that you can't do as well, or better, with {lo}. &nbsp;Indeed, a fairly la=
rge percentage of uses of the former in the corpus are either flat wrong or=
 unnecessary, even among the more recent entries. &nbsp;( I have no data to=
 back this claim up beyond just noticing how often it turns up inappropriat=
ely.). Since you are dealing with Russian speakers, you don't have the "a-t=
he" problem of Western European languages to overcome and so can introduce =
{lo broda} for nouns in general.</div><div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>=
On Jun 21, 2013, at 9:37, la arxokuna &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.nam=
e@gmail.com">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></=
div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><br><br>On Friday, June 21, 2013 5:39:52=
 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: =
0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 21, 2013=
 at 10:15 AM, la arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" tar=
get=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"QnuZE3ou_aQJ">gleki.is...@gmail.com=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br><div>I guess in 99% of cases {le} de=
notes real objects endured in time and space.</div><div><br></div></blockqu=
ote>
<div><br></div><div>If you were to say that in Lojban, would you use "le" f=
or "real objects endured in time and space"?&nbsp;</div></div></div></div><=
/blockquote><div><br></div><div>me? idk. mi na jbocre</div><div>&nbsp;</div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>mu'o mi'e xorxes</div><div>
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