Received: from mail-ob0-f191.google.com ([209.85.214.191]:37392) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Uq8tZ-0000b6-Cs for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:29:36 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f191.google.com with SMTP id xn12sf2633842obc.18 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:29:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vdFrG27MeQWHdrlSQHmYz0C79VlkhhwULa5gRqtKNHs=; b=s+3NBqwCJiRUSMJ4iTFj6hbYL0RDx6jlO62YdWMKcS0YB4Fh0NRdiJjiLrbXhQuOt9 wKRI2oTStEIWQiR5SnnBC56NBnzFSjZGIwxCdJPHZBjYzZPJoM7X91ifLe12vPNJEX23 qoQGrlzXpnGtmrYdPKdhx2YlrwIImeT3NkUfQTBgugFJqqqtateGRKZWHPJHSQZNAKLt WLmPBKaxSLKTtvvX5JgqDBTHf+IeVfcPui4jPJPAg81M+FIO7V9U4WApViLSUa+TqTTQ hALndstUY5OlQDrhn9nUM1jOGssBDxlCHHesf8jk1BM/VwhwK69nhJ/7v1hxQ3IaqMG+ f/+g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vdFrG27MeQWHdrlSQHmYz0C79VlkhhwULa5gRqtKNHs=; b=IXQmd1mGXY0ecnzr+dE1FyuLqyUVbmAnWR7/HcMzjRJ5SiyA/IiOB20ubND5Fq5t85 1tTmfI5K9RzecQVwJR1Ig9obAGMhicUYDoFsQtnTBB8AtQIoTJ0OCN+8GUpkdKTEUL9k f/w0fx2KTnVDoKJ+ztFjsV35YaL+GVFDoWB7wPPILh4GtFnwQdzkJtko3vArIrzcnOMQ KSTxgGe58rSQnjIUn0PqccTLtllZWZh6aZUfI7AbOmR88ALWHxrhCEz/9XODXkPsUyfM jF3jJ3lOoe1ZXaAbr8uDIr2Ka2Pxl3DGlnLEkW5zVUlFYZct0R8txWLQQbZ3zd0WXLjN 7lAw== X-Received: by 10.50.4.38 with SMTP id h6mr6379igh.8.1371850158770; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:29:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.176.134 with SMTP id ci6ls1069369igc.27.canary; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:29:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.11.112 with SMTP id p16mr134945igb.6.1371850158295; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.112.105 with SMTP id ip9msigb; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:04:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.209.4 with SMTP id mi4mr27122obc.32.1371845092814; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:04:52 -0700 (PDT) From: =?UTF-8?B?0JDQvdCw0YLQvtC70LjQuSDQk9Cw0YjQtdCy?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <5d7f238f-ff93-40ab-af24-fc6320d91b23@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo} MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: volishavas@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_604_20228551.1371845092368" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_604_20228551.1371845092368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! If I want to say "I have a car. The car is white.": (I'm interested only in differences between {le} and {lo}.) 1. with {le}: mi ponse le karce .i le karce cu blabi 2. with {lo}: mi ponse lo karce .i lo karce cu blabi I think the first choice is better. Am I right? =D0=D1=D4=CE=C9=C3=C1, 21 =C9=C0=CE=D1 2013 =C7., 17:26:12 UTC+6 =D0=CF=CC= =D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D8 .arpis. =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC: > > {le} is what you say when you have a particular thing in mind or when you= =20 > want to indicate that the thing you're talking about isn't necessarily a= =20 > {broda}; {lo} is what you say whenever you don't want to indicate the=20 > previous fact. Most people use {le} for "the", but I think this is malgli= . > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:29 AM, la arxokuna > > wrote: > >> mi'a got a request to explain the difference between {lo} and {le} with= =20 >> good examples from English. The person who is asking for that is not=20 >> satisfied with what is described in BPFK sections of lojban.org. Please= =20 >> help. >> >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s=20 >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n=20 >> email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> =20 >> =20 >> > > > > --=20 > Alex R > =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_604_20228551.1371845092368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! If I want to say "I have a car. The car is white.":
(I'm interested = only in differences between {le} and {lo}.)
1. with {le}: mi ponse le ka= rce .i le karce cu blabi
2. with {lo}: mi ponse lo karce .i lo karce cu = blabi
I think the first choice is better. Am I right?


=D0=D1= =D4=CE=C9=C3=C1, 21 =C9=C0=CE=D1 2013 =C7., 17:26:12 UTC+6 =D0=CF=CC= =D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D8 .arpis. =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC:
{le} is what you say when you = have a particular thing in mind or when you want to indicate that the thing= you're talking about isn't necessarily a {broda}; {lo} is what you say whe= never you don't want to indicate the previous fact. Most people use {le} fo= r "the", but I think this is malgli.


On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:29 = AM, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
mi'a got a request to explain the difference= between {lo} and {le} with good examples from English. The person who is a= sking for that is not satisfied with what is described in BPFK sections of = lojban.org. Please help= .

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