Received: from mail-oa0-f57.google.com ([209.85.219.57]:62117) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Uq98g-0000gc-SJ for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:45:07 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f57.google.com with SMTP id o6sf2640469oag.12 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:44:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-transfer-encoding :content-type; bh=NG1+3VwF2Oy0j6TY4tAZ48HVi2VymR0r29vVBj0xvr8=; b=roOYhskdXkx0NoVkB6wbES2DPD29RBX8+NaogE+C9WytHwUVAYtVz8r94I3CYdPg4W u60lvFo+hw0SqQDjXrAt003ysLaILjlUt+48/NVLRGNlB2/HitT9R0yrT6aGkVWUNMHq quWrS/jqcPXriIHtR09xYFwf4N6duaKl+VXDVk6DluFH5aS2dm9FhRgmFZwndwSIB+gi uU620OMPgQ+h2ZKp0hookwbgqzP+ANc/0U/YlhvvcF304649H4oUHDQr5LKVXXG7n+Zt zZAV26KYKOd+kBzt4SEn/ZQABwdXFs8j//UlImbsDoSmLJWIHwZv9A/9YidGZ43ojASc uwLw== X-Received: by 10.49.5.106 with SMTP id r10mr133605qer.11.1371851096456; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:44:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.85.232 with SMTP id k8ls502002qez.55.gmail; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:44:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.117.51 with SMTP id i39mr7922271yhh.9.1371851095928; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p73si900536yhh.5.2013.06.21.14.44.54 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092B52FF6 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:44:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo} Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:44:46 -0400 Message-ID: <17821802.qV9RLdx1PL@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-44-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <5d7f238f-ff93-40ab-af24-fc6320d91b23@googlegroups.com> References: <5d7f238f-ff93-40ab-af24-fc6320d91b23@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Friday, June 21, 2013 13:04:52 =D0=90=D0=BD=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0= =B8=D0=B9 =D0=93=D0=B0=D1=88=D0=B5=D0=B2 wrote: > Hi! If I want to say "I have a car. The car is white.": > (I'm interested only in differences between {le} and {lo}.) > 1. with {le}: mi ponse le karce .i le karce cu blabi > 2. with {lo}: mi ponse lo karce .i lo karce cu blabi > I think the first choice is better. Am I right? I would use "le" because I have a specific car in mind, namely mine. But bo= th=20 are correct. The second "lo karce" in the second sentence could just as eas= ily=20 refer to another car though. Use "bi'unai" to mark that the car has been=20 mentioned before, or "bi'u" to mark that it hasn't. (I didn't use "bi'unai"= =20 the second time the boat occurred in the song because it didn't fit.) mi ponse lo xunre karce .i lo karce cu blabi .i mi ponse lo karce .i lo bi'unai karce cu xunre As Russian doesn't have an article, I suggest you just use "lo" and not wor= ry=20 about it, until it starts making sense. Getting the article right is not as= =20 important in Lojban as it is in English. Pierre --=20 lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.