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 Content preview:  Not sure what {tai} does here, no NP after it. (I pass over
    {ci'omle}, you're entitle to make your compounds mean whatever you want them
    to.) Saying all {lo gerku} refer to Dog is a retrograde step, back into the
    Jurassic levels of the history of {lo} and xorlo. It is occasionally true,
    but rarely, and -- given enough metaphysical argle-bargle -- always true
   in a sense, but not one useful to point out in most cases. [...] 
 
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Not sure what {tai} does here, no NP after it. (I pass over {ci'omle}, you'=
re entitle to make your compounds mean whatever you want them to.)
Saying all {lo gerku} refer to Dog is a retrograde step, back into the Jura=
ssic levels of the history of {lo} and xorlo.=A0 It is occasionally true, b=
ut rarely, and -- given enough metaphysical argle-bargle -- always true in =
a sense, but not one useful to point out in most cases.


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 From: selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo}
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la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e
> This seems essentially backward prractice to me.=A0 {lo karce} refers to
> the salient car(s).=A0 After it has been used o9nce, that forces the
> car(s) there referred to to be the salient ones.

It doesn't have to, however. Consider:

=A0=A0=A0 "I just saw a dog. Dogs are so cute!"
=A0=A0=A0 mi pu zi viska lo gerku .i lo gerku cu tai ci'omle

Nothing forbids one to use {lo} twice with different referents each time. (=
Or one could say that the referent is always the same, it's Dog.)

It might not be super obvious in such a case if the second {lo gerku} is th=
e same as the one I just saw, but it's nevertheless "legal" to say it like =
that.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Not sure what {tai} d=
oes here, no NP after it. (I pass over {ci'omle}, you're entitle to make yo=
ur compounds mean whatever you want them to.)<br>Saying all {lo gerku} refe=
r to Dog is a retrograde step, back into the Jurassic levels of the history=
 of {lo} and xorlo.&nbsp; It is occasionally true, but rarely, and -- given=
 enough metaphysical argle-bargle -- always true in a sense, but not one us=
eful to point out in most cases.<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></=
div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; f=
ont-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, tim=
es, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font face=
=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b=
> selpa'i &lt;seladwa@gmx.de&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:
 bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-=
weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:14 AM<br> <b><spa=
n style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojban] Please, the=
 best explanation of {le} vs. {lo}<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_c=
ontainer"><br>
la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e<br>&gt; This seems essentially backward prractice =
to me.&nbsp; {lo karce} refers to<br>&gt; the salient car(s).&nbsp; After i=
t has been used o9nce, that forces the<br>&gt; car(s) there referred to to =
be the salient ones.<br><br>It doesn't have to, however. Consider:<br><br>&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "I just saw a dog. Dogs are so cute!"<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; mi pu zi viska lo gerku .i lo gerku cu tai ci'omle<br><br>Nothing forbid=
s one to use {lo} twice with different referents each time. (Or one could s=
ay that the referent is always the same, it's Dog.)<br><br>It might not be =
super obvious in such a case if the second {lo gerku} is the same as the on=
e I just saw, but it's nevertheless "legal" to say it like that.<br><br>mu'=
o mi'e la selpa'i<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br><br>-- You received thi=
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