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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 10:29:56 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo}
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 Content preview:  "selbri tag"? not CLL, but, that aside, what does it means:
    "they are cute (to me) (in some respect) like (something or other)" "sorta
    cute?" Problem was that I couldn't easily get from "young beautiful" to "cute":
    "young" fits, "beautiful" not so much. But then, I was never a fan of compositional
    definitions anyhow, so I'll stick with what I said. But the explanation according
    to which Dog is what {lo gerku} really means is much more complicated (not
    to mention based on more implausible assumptions) than the perfectly straightforward
    one, even in its mathematical form. [...] 
 
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"selbri tag"?=A0 not CLL, but, that aside, what does it means: "they are cu=
te (to me) (in some respect) like (something or other)"=A0 "sorta cute?"
Problem was that I couldn't easily get from "young beautiful" to "cute": "y=
oung" fits, "beautiful" not so much.=A0 But then, I was never a fan of comp=
ositional definitions anyhow, so I'll stick with what I said.
But the explanation according to which Dog is what {lo gerku} really means =
is much more complicated (not to mention based on more implausible assumpti=
ons) than the perfectly straightforward one, even in its mathematical form.


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 From: selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo}
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la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e
> Not sure what {tai} does here, no NP after it.

{tai} is a selbri tag there, which means it implicitly tags {zo'e}.

> (I pass over {ci'omle},
> you're entitle to make your compounds mean whatever you want them to.)

{ci'omle} is an alternate form of {citmle}, which has been in the dictionar=
y for a long time, but some prefer the sound of {ci'omle}. Both mean "cute"=
. I guess I'll add {ci'omle} as well, didn't know it hadn't already been ad=
ded.

> Saying all {lo gerku} refer to Dog is a retrograde step, back into the
> Jurassic levels of the history of {lo} and xorlo.=A0 It is occasionally
> true, but rarely, and -- given enough metaphysical argle-bargle --
> always true in a sense, but not one useful to point out in most cases.

Well, it can help some people to understand what {lo} really means, when ot=
her explanations didn't work.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">"selbri tag"?&nbsp; n=
ot CLL, but, that aside, what does it means: "they are cute (to me) (in som=
e respect) like (something or other)"&nbsp; "sorta cute?"<br>Problem was th=
at I couldn't easily get from "young beautiful" to "cute": "young" fits, "b=
eautiful" not so much.&nbsp; But then, I was never a fan of compositional d=
efinitions anyhow, so I'll stick with what I said.<br>But the explanation a=
ccording to which Dog is what {lo gerku} really means is much more complica=
ted (not to mention based on more implausible assumptions) than the perfect=
ly straightforward one, even in its mathematical form.<br><br><div><span><b=
r></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,=
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s new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr">
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eight:bold;">From:</span></b> selpa'i &lt;seladwa@gmx.de&gt;<br> <b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <b>=
<span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, June 22, 2013=
 12:11 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:=
 [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo}<br> </font> </div> =
<div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br>
la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e<br>&gt; Not sure what {tai} does here, no NP after=
 it.<br><br>{tai} is a selbri tag there, which means it implicitly tags {zo=
'e}.<br><br>&gt; (I pass over {ci'omle},<br>&gt; you're entitle to make you=
r compounds mean whatever you want them to.)<br><br>{ci'omle} is an alterna=
te form of {citmle}, which has been in the dictionary for a long time, but =
some prefer the sound of {ci'omle}. Both mean "cute". I guess I'll add {ci'=
omle} as well, didn't know it hadn't already been added.<br><br>&gt; Saying=
 all {lo gerku} refer to Dog is a retrograde step, back into the<br>&gt; Ju=
rassic levels of the history of {lo} and xorlo.&nbsp; It is occasionally<br=
>&gt; true, but rarely, and -- given enough metaphysical argle-bargle --<br=
>&gt; always true in a sense, but not one useful to point out in most cases=
.<br><br>Well, it can help some people to understand what {lo} really means=
, when other explanations didn't work.<br><br>mu'o mi'e la
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