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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e > "selbri tag"? not CLL, The concept (though maybe not the term) is CLL. Most occurences of tenses for example use selbri tags: {mi pu klama} has a selbri tag which (implicitly) tags {zo'e}. It means "Before zo'e, I go". [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (seladwa[at]gmx.de) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: googlegroups.com] 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e > "selbri tag"? not CLL, The concept (though maybe not the term) is CLL. Most occurences of tenses for example use selbri tags: {mi pu klama} has a selbri tag which (implicitly) tags {zo'e}. It means "Before zo'e, I go". > but, that aside, what does it means: "they are > cute (to me) (in some respect) like (something or other)" "sorta cute?" "Dogs are _so_ cute." {tai} compares, like English "so". In this case, what it compares the bridi to is left up to context. > Problem was that I couldn't easily get from "young beautiful" to "cute": > "young" fits, "beautiful" not so much. But then, I was never a fan of > compositional definitions anyhow, so I'll stick with what I said. It's not easy to find a better lujvo. Compositionality only gets one so far. > But the explanation according to which Dog is what {lo gerku} really > means is much more complicated (not to mention based on more implausible > assumptions) than the perfectly straightforward one, even in its > mathematical form. Could be, but different people think in different ways. What seems complicated to one person might seem more intuitive to another, and vice versa. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.