Received: from mail-yh0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:63761) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UqYQu-0000F6-Bs for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:45:39 -0700 Received: by mail-yh0-f61.google.com with SMTP id f73sf3145065yha.6 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:45:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-transfer-encoding :content-type; bh=TNztDNKoU04o68ATWHy41g7WGxMA0mE2swtttgjGv5k=; b=fBvKN5q4Mji3P2PMDMCkd6OQtQyCmRmK9+Jmf8bfumw1lnvU+XgFRsK/Kb1GKp8r2i pgOO8PCh+RWNYf4j/+ZPQ07Er17EpYIqKB0IybHu4woe1dc6/oba5XSksuHMXYaaN0H+ qu5UrO3XS64J4TSli1uc9DgHtaKVwVtMG3URcJyNWlGqnZGF3aLyYnWJSqX7X4kWSADm 9pKfDPbY3gdMtcRZPjFs4pzZXfwD57YJUZBb0z9Xi5AZ3E1C0tZE4CNKtblmrs4NJl7C gB/0XKNeqL60GIlcngfXftXmdxMqr+krSLWScFHRK7nF5mOtbaJM38t6NuPBgJR204AB wS2Q== X-Received: by 10.49.25.36 with SMTP id z4mr434744qef.6.1371948325852; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:45:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.121.5 with SMTP id lg5ls1548146qeb.21.gmail; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:45:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.138.20 with SMTP id z20mr10441364yhi.31.1371948325269; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x42si6194198yha.7.2013.06.22.17.45.25 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE742157C for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 20:45:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo} Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 20:45:24 -0400 Message-ID: <18545397.qYQ50d5c6S@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-44-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <1371920751.98036.YahooMailNeo@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <51C5B15F.8070903@gmx.de> <1371920751.98036.YahooMailNeo@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:05:51 John E Clifford wrote: > Not sure what {tai} does here, no NP after it. (I pass over {ci'omle}, > you're entitle to make your compounds mean whatever you want them to.) I think the correct preposition is "la'u", not "tai". "tai" is what I used = in=20 ".i ca'o le nu casnu tai kei", for "pendant qu'ainsi l'on d=E9lib=E8re". On Saturday, June 22, 2013 13:18:01 Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:06 AM, selpa'i wrote: > > {blabi} *is* a verb, as is every Lojban predicate. >=20 > Selbri are *not* verbs. Cross-linguistically, verbs are words that take arguments (sumti). There is= =20 not, as far as I know, any natlang which has an indefinitely long sequence = of=20 numbered places, but all natlangs, as far as I know, and Lojban have words= =20 which take arguments, some of which can be tagged by an adposition. So a=20 brivla is a verb. Pierre --=20 Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.