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Subject: Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo}
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I was never real fond of "tai broda" for "so [X]"  I understand it when
people use it that way, but I don't use it.  "mutce" seems to be much more
salient.  I think la'u works, though, too.  (What about ci'u?)  Or perhaps
"so" is really more of a noise word in these cases, so "iu" (or whatever)
is more appropriate?


  As for "dogs are so cute", I would prefer "loi" in that  construction (or
possibly even lo'e or le'e).  Man, doesn't anyone use anything but "lo"
anymore??

  So: "loi gerku cu .iu citmle"

            --gejyspa

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On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 9:13 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>wro=
te:

> Thanks, {la'u} "of some amount" does work better.  Still uncomfortable
> about the construction, adding a place but not filling it, I would have
> thought adverbial tanru were more apprpriate.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 22, 2013, at 19:45, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:05:51 John E Clifford wrote:
> >> Not sure what {tai} does here, no NP after it. (I pass over {ci'omle},
> >> you're entitle to make your compounds mean whatever you want them to.)
> >
> > I think the correct preposition is "la'u", not "tai". "tai" is what I
> used in
> > ".i ca'o le nu casnu tai kei", for "pendant qu'ainsi l'on d=E9lib=E8re"=
.
> >
> > On Saturday, June 22, 2013 13:18:01 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> >> On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:06 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
> >>> {blabi} *is* a verb, as is every Lojban predicate.
> >>
> >> Selbri are *not* verbs.
> >
> > Cross-linguistically, verbs are words that take arguments (sumti). Ther=
e
> is
> > not, as far as I know, any natlang which has an indefinitely long
> sequence of
> > numbered places, but all natlangs, as far as I know, and Lojban have
> words
> > which take arguments, some of which can be tagged by an adposition. So =
a
> > brivla is a verb.
> >
> > Pierre
> > --
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I was never real fond of &quot;tai broda&quot; for &quot;s=
o [X]&quot; =A0I understand it when people use it that way, but I don&#39;t=
 use it. =A0&quot;mutce&quot; seems to be much more salient. =A0I think la&=
#39;u works, though, too. =A0(What about ci&#39;u?) =A0Or perhaps &quot;so&=
quot; is really more of a noise word in these cases, so &quot;iu&quot; (or =
whatever) is more appropriate?<div>
<br></div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=A0 As for &quot;dogs a=
re so cute&quot;, I would prefer &quot;loi&quot; in that =A0construction (o=
r possibly even lo&#39;e or le&#39;e). =A0Man, doesn&#39;t anyone use anyth=
ing but &quot;lo&quot; anymore??</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=A0 So: &qu=
ot;loi gerku cu .iu citmle&quot;<br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 9:13 PM, John E. Clifford <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">kali9putra@yahoo.com=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Thanks, {la&#39;u} &quot;of some amount&quot; does work better. =A0Still un=
comfortable about the construction, adding a place but not filling it, I wo=
uld have thought adverbial tanru were more apprpriate.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On Jun 22, 2013, at 19:45, Pierre Abbat &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo=
.org">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; On Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:05:51 John E Clifford wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Not sure what {tai} does here, no NP after it. (I pass over {ci=
9;omle},<br>
&gt;&gt; you&#39;re entitle to make your compounds mean whatever you want t=
hem to.)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I think the correct preposition is &quot;la&#39;u&quot;, not &quot;tai=
&quot;. &quot;tai&quot; is what I used in<br>
&gt; &quot;.i ca&#39;o le nu casnu tai kei&quot;, for &quot;pendant qu&#39;=
ainsi l&#39;on d=E9lib=E8re&quot;.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Saturday, June 22, 2013 13:18:01 Jonathan Jones wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:06 AM, selpa&#39;i &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:seladwa@gmx.de">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; {blabi} *is* a verb, as is every Lojban predicate.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Selbri are *not* verbs.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Cross-linguistically, verbs are words that take arguments (sumti). The=
re is<br>
&gt; not, as far as I know, any natlang which has an indefinitely long sequ=
ence of<br>
&gt; numbered places, but all natlangs, as far as I know, and Lojban have w=
ords<br>
&gt; which take arguments, some of which can be tagged by an adposition. So=
 a<br>
&gt; brivla is a verb.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Pierre<br>
&gt; --<br>
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>
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