Received: from mail-wi0-f192.google.com ([209.85.212.192]:33501) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Uqgis-000292-2m for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 02:36:56 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f192.google.com with SMTP id hj3sf451220wib.9 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 02:36:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ZKxwGn0CaNmG+kjsruCU+8iuUEAtjcqeSz3v+cdcHiY=; b=KfFn/9+7cy3KxRIckME205hfEuNxh9+K/kJjLtZbitg7+2LvJ+3Hddp4WqduUYQpvQ EtmdMcLTmOyWgb4TKr4JyNCLtCwNtzFeKyRlJpcTk8g7+FEPypbtDnhLIgOfQOPg60EG +/JB43IJs884/6cTZKMwtBSJEeHsM3fLeLb2AfQz9xD+OsJCyvWMaU5ILGzbjiFdLvNJ gUpuCZ3ilN+8XVGalABIZYVCAldLI2Qe2NHbpk1gRX4PXVpqrf8iVGOuGSzv61Oo0ihG 03+NcqwQ5/d8pmv9K9ZXq45AFoUK+C1y85qpEvwOTluQjoawfWyvK8bbFQpts5upHM+r uPYQ== X-Received: by 10.180.198.177 with SMTP id jd17mr145018wic.21.1371980189804; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 02:36:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.108.81 with SMTP id hi17ls380201wib.15.gmail; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 02:36:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.15.75.201 with SMTP id l49mr25342605eey.3.1371980189107; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 02:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ci6si2345536eeb.1.2013.06.23.02.36.29 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 02:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.22; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.32]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MLUcO-1Uq8kw3eMc-000bU7 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 11:36:28 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Jun 2013 09:36:28 -0000 Received: from p5DDC5736.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [93.220.87.54] by mail.gmx.net (mp032) with SMTP; 23 Jun 2013 11:36:28 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/lR240K5vl93Aq9PNBwJ1dpNV677iK0PAdzCfDLm y+UuCRFkEVEvj/ Message-ID: <51C6C19C.6080107@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 11:36:28 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo} References: <51C5B15F.8070903@gmx.de> <1371920751.98036.YahooMailNeo@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <18545397.qYQ50d5c6S@caracal> <9C825D21-FED6-4D58-BA79-D8CFE1BAAA8A@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <9C825D21-FED6-4D58-BA79-D8CFE1BAAA8A@yahoo.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e > Still uncomfortable about the construction, adding a place but not > filling it But it's entirely normal to do that! I don't know why you distinguish between tenses and BAI here. Both are tags, so both can either tag something explicitly or not. Here is a natural example using a BAI as selbri tag: mi xagji .i mi mu'i jukpa lo sanmi "I'm hungry. I, motivated by it/that, cook a meal." {mu'i} implicitly tags {zo'e}, which in this context obviously refers to my state of hunger. There is nothing weird about that. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.