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[212.227.17.21]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ci6si2370180eeb.1.2013.06.23.03.13.11 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 03:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.21; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.12]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MRQbm-1Uk3Sx2nNY-00SfUG for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:13:11 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Jun 2013 10:13:11 -0000 Received: from p5DDC5736.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [93.220.87.54] by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 23 Jun 2013 12:13:11 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/sYbMMwoTssZJWZZ6yGUnh1XgjYWgWusbQznWrSU kYseobS2D6QXjt Message-ID: <51C6CA36.5030604@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:13:10 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo} References: <51C5B15F.8070903@gmx.de> <1371920751.98036.YahooMailNeo@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <18545397.qYQ50d5c6S@caracal> <9C825D21-FED6-4D58-BA79-D8CFE1BAAA8A@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la gejyspa cu cusku di'e > I was never real fond of "tai broda" for "so [X]" I understand it when > people use it that way, but I don't use it. "mutce" seems to be much > more salient. I think la'u works, though, too. (What about ci'u?) Or > perhaps "so" is really more of a noise word in these cases, so "iu" (or > whatever) is more appropriate? Maybe "this/that" is easier to understand than "so"? I take "so" as making an implicit comparison, usually to something unspecific, but big/extreme. {tai} certainly does compare, so maybe it will make more obvious sense when translated as "this": lo gerku cu tai ci'omle "Dogs are thi[iiiiiiii]s cute." You can stretch out your arms to show just how cute dogs are measured in terms of the distance between your hands. :) > As for "dogs are so cute", I would prefer "loi" in that construction > (or possibly even lo'e or le'e). Man, doesn't anyone use anything but > "lo" anymore?? How does marking non-distributivity help you to make a more general claim? Some group of dogs is cute together? {lo'e} certainly works (though not everyone agrees on what it means), but I don't see how {loi} is any better than {lo}. In fact, I think it's worse. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.