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Subject: Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo}
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Sorry, unerror update
  from: He/she has not any specific meaning for me at all that is why I=20
called him/her {lo nanmu}, but not {le ninmu}.
  to: ... {le nanmu}.
(In full: He/she has not any specific meaning for me at all that is why I=
=20
called him/her {lo nanmu}, but not {le nanmu}.)

=D7=CF=D3=CB=D2=C5=D3=C5=CE=D8=C5, 23 =C9=C0=CE=D1 2013 =C7., 18:41:58 UTC+=
6 =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D8 =E1=CE=C1=D4=CF=CC=C9=CA =E7=C1=DB=
=C5=D7=20
=CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC:
>
> Using here {le nanmu} is not better and actually it might be wrong. Cuz i=
t=20
> may be that I just now saw a woman, which I described as a man and I thin=
k=20
> the person is a man.
> He/she has not any specific meaning for me at all that is why I called=20
> him/her {lo nanmu}, but not {le ninmu}.
> Please, everybody, read xorlo-update already cuz the {lo}-meaning has=20
> changed dramatically since CLL, which is dated by 1997.
>
> =D7=CF=D3=CB=D2=C5=D3=C5=CE=D8=C5, 23 =C9=C0=CE=D1 2013 =C7., 18:18:40 UT=
C+6 =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D8 v4hn =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC:
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 03:21:50AM -0700, =E1=CE=C1=D4=CF=CC=C9=CA =E7=
=C1=DB=C5=D7 wrote:=20
>> > I may call a woman with {lo nanmu} if I think the person is a man.=20
>> > You can ask about that almost anybody, especially la tsani or la=20
>> selpa'i.=20
>> > And they can say am I right or not.=20
>>
>> Yes, you can do that. Obviously. How else would you describe someone=20
>> who seems to be a man?=20
>>
>> Nevertheless, you say something ba'e wrong then.=20
>> Using {le nanmu} (which in my opinion is better style anyway when you=20
>> have someone specific in mind) you do not, because you refer to=20
>> a specific individual no matter the description.=20
>>
>>
>> v4hn=20
>>
>

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Sorry, unerror update<br>&nbsp; from: He/she has not any specific meaning f=
or me at all that is why I called him/her {lo nanmu}, but not {le ninmu}.<b=
r>&nbsp; to: ... {le nanmu}.<br>(In full: He/she has not any specific meani=
ng for me at all that is why I called him/her {lo nanmu}, but not {le nanmu=
}.)<br><br>=D7=CF=D3=CB=D2=C5=D3=C5=CE=D8=C5, 23 =C9=C0=CE=D1 2013&nbsp;=C7=
., 18:41:58 UTC+6 =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D8 =E1=CE=C1=D4=CF=CC=
=C9=CA =E7=C1=DB=C5=D7 =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;paddi=
ng-left: 1ex;">Using here {le nanmu} is not better and actually it might be=
 wrong. Cuz it may be that I just now saw a woman, which I described as a m=
an and I think the person is a man.<br>He/she has not any specific meaning =
for me at all that is why I called him/her {lo nanmu}, but not {le ninmu}.<=
br>Please, everybody, read xorlo-update already cuz the {lo}-meaning has ch=
anged dramatically since CLL, which is dated by 1997.<br><br>=D7=CF=D3=CB=
=D2=C5=D3=C5=CE=D8=C5, 23 =C9=C0=CE=D1 2013&nbsp;=C7., 18:18:40 UTC+6 =D0=
=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D8 v4hn =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC:<blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex">On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 03:21:50AM -0700, =E1=CE=
=C1=D4=CF=CC=C9=CA =E7=C1=DB=C5=D7 wrote:
<br>&gt; I may call a woman with {lo nanmu} if I think the person is a man.
<br>&gt; You can ask about that almost anybody, especially la tsani or la s=
elpa'i.=20
<br>&gt; And they can say am I right or not.
<br>
<br>Yes, you can do that. Obviously. How else would you describe someone
<br>who seems to be a man?
<br>
<br>Nevertheless, you say something ba'e wrong then.
<br>Using {le nanmu} (which in my opinion is better style anyway when you
<br>have someone specific in mind) you do not, because you refer to
<br>a specific individual no matter the description.
<br>
<br>
<br>v4hn
<br></blockquote></blockquote>

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