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On Jun 23, 2013, at 7:28, =E1=CE=C1= =D4=CF=CC=C9=CA =E7=C1=DB=C5=D7 <volishavas@gmail.com> wrote:

Oxford Dictionary says:
Verb is a word or group of word= s that expresses an action (such as  eat), an event (such as  hap= pen) or a state (such as  exist).
Predicate is a part of a sentence= containing a verb that makes a statement about the subject of the verb, su= ch as "went home" in "John went home".

So,
{Brivla} *is/are* verb= (s). Not just *is* or *are* cuz {brivla} has not such characteristic as qua= ntity.

Lojban:
{bridi}: x1 (text) is a predicate relat= ionship with relation x2 among arguments (sequence/set) x3<= /sub>.

So, {selbri} is/are relation,
and {bridi} is/are predicate= relationship, or just predicate plus x1-sumti as shown in above dictionary= entry.


=D7=CF=D3=CB=D2=C5=D3=C5=CE=D8=C5, 23 =C9=C0=CE=D1 2013&= nbsp;=C7., 17:55:34 UTC+6 =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D8 la arxokuna = =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC:


= On Saturday, June 22, 2013 11:18:01 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at = 7:06 AM, selpa'i <sel...@gmx.de> wrot= e:
 {blabi} *is* a verb, as is every Lojban predicate.

Selbri are *not* verbs.

Well, i= ndeed. Brivla *are* verbs, not selbri. Selbri are predicates. Although the = difference is not that important.
 

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cm= ima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
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