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Subject: Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo}
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  Well, as usual, I never understand you when you talk about "C-sets" and
"L-sets".  So, I can only say "gu mi je'u pilno cei broda zo lo'e gi mi
broda va'o la'o logji c-sets logji"

   --gjeyspa


On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 10:22 AM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Lord, does anybody still use {lo'e} except for the rare C-set?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 23, 2013, at 5:13, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> > la gejyspa cu cusku di'e
> >> I was never real fond of "tai broda" for "so [X]"  I understand it when
> >> people use it that way, but I don't use it.  "mutce" seems to be much
> >> more salient.  I think la'u works, though, too.  (What about ci'u?)  Or
> >> perhaps "so" is really more of a noise word in these cases, so "iu" (or
> >> whatever) is more appropriate?
> >
> > Maybe "this/that" is easier to understand than "so"? I take "so" as
> making an implicit comparison, usually to something unspecific, but
> big/extreme. {tai} certainly does compare, so maybe it will make more
> obvious sense when translated as "this":
> >
> >    lo gerku cu tai ci'omle
> >    "Dogs are thi[iiiiiiii]s cute."
> >
> > You can stretch out your arms to show just how cute dogs are measured in
> terms of the distance between your hands. :)
> >
> >>   As for "dogs are so cute", I would prefer "loi" in that  construction
> >> (or possibly even lo'e or le'e).  Man, doesn't anyone use anything but
> >> "lo" anymore??
> >
> > How does marking non-distributivity help you to make a more general
> claim? Some group of dogs is cute together?
> >
> > {lo'e} certainly works (though not everyone agrees on what it means),
> but I don't see how {loi} is any better than {lo}. In fact, I think it's
> worse.
> >
> > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 Well, as usual, I never understand you when you talk a=
bout &quot;C-sets&quot; and &quot;L-sets&quot;. =A0So, I can only say &quot=
;gu mi je&#39;u pilno cei broda zo lo&#39;e gi mi broda va&#39;o la&#39;o l=
ogji c-sets logji&quot;<div>
<br></div><div style>=A0 =A0--gjeyspa</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 10:22 AM, John =
E. Clifford <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">kali9putra@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Lord, does anybody still use {lo&#39;e} exce=
pt for the rare C-set?<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On Jun 23, 2013, at 5:13, selpa&#39;i &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de"=
>seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; la gejyspa cu cusku di&#39;e<br>
&gt;&gt; I was never real fond of &quot;tai broda&quot; for &quot;so [X]&qu=
ot; =A0I understand it when<br>
&gt;&gt; people use it that way, but I don&#39;t use it. =A0&quot;mutce&quo=
t; seems to be much<br>
&gt;&gt; more salient. =A0I think la&#39;u works, though, too. =A0(What abo=
ut ci&#39;u?) =A0Or<br>
&gt;&gt; perhaps &quot;so&quot; is really more of a noise word in these cas=
es, so &quot;iu&quot; (or<br>
&gt;&gt; whatever) is more appropriate?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Maybe &quot;this/that&quot; is easier to understand than &quot;so&quot=
;? I take &quot;so&quot; as making an implicit comparison, usually to somet=
hing unspecific, but big/extreme. {tai} certainly does compare, so maybe it=
 will make more obvious sense when translated as &quot;this&quot;:<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0lo gerku cu tai ci&#39;omle<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0&quot;Dogs are thi[iiiiiiii]s cute.&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; You can stretch out your arms to show just how cute dogs are measured =
in terms of the distance between your hands. :)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =A0 As for &quot;dogs are so cute&quot;, I would prefer &quot;loi&=
quot; in that =A0construction<br>
&gt;&gt; (or possibly even lo&#39;e or le&#39;e). =A0Man, doesn&#39;t anyon=
e use anything but<br>
&gt;&gt; &quot;lo&quot; anymore??<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; How does marking non-distributivity help you to make a more general cl=
aim? Some group of dogs is cute together?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; {lo&#39;e} certainly works (though not everyone agrees on what it mean=
s), but I don&#39;t see how {loi} is any better than {lo}. In fact, I think=
 it&#39;s worse.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<br>
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