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Subject: Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo}
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On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote=
:

> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 6:41 AM, =D0=90=D0=BD=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=
=B8=D0=B9 =D0=93=D0=B0=D1=88=D0=B5=D0=B2 <volishavas@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Using here {le nanmu} is not better and actually it might be wrong. Cuz
>>> it may be that I just now saw a woman, which I described as a man and I
>>> think the person is a man.
>>> He/she has not any specific meaning for me at all that is why I called
>>> him/her {lo nanmu}, but not {le ninmu}.
>>> Please, everybody, read xorlo-update already cuz the {lo}-meaning has
>>> changed dramatically since CLL, which is dated by 1997.
>>>
>>
>> Lookup the meaning of the word "veridical". {lo} is and /always has been=
/
>> veridical- it must and can only be used for things which /actually are/
>> what you're describing them as. {le} is and /always has been/ non-veridi=
cal.
>>
>> xorlo did not change the meaning of {lo} or {le}, it just changed how
>> quantification works.
>>
> xorlo did actually change the meaning of {lo}. There was no {zo'e} in
> old-lo, there is in xorlo, this is a pretty dramatic difference.
>

No it isn't. All unfilled places are always implicitly filled with zo'e, so
rexorlo lo most certainly did have zo'e.


>
> mi'e la latro'a mu'o
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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Ian Joh=
nson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"im">On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Jonatha=
n Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_extra">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Sun, Jun =
23, 2013 at 6:41 AM, =D0=90=D0=BD=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=
=93=D0=B0=D1=88=D0=B5=D0=B2 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:volisha=
vas@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">volishavas@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:=
<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Using here {le nanmu} is not better and actually it might be wrong. Cuz it =
may be that I just now saw a woman, which I described as a man and I think =
the person is a man.<br>He/she has not any specific meaning for me at all t=
hat is why I called him/her {lo nanmu}, but not {le ninmu}.<br>


Please, everybody, read xorlo-update already cuz the {lo}-meaning has chang=
ed dramatically since CLL, which is dated by 1997.<br></blockquote></div><d=
iv><br>Lookup the meaning of the word &quot;veridical&quot;. {lo} is and /a=
lways has been/ veridical- it must and can only be used for things which /a=
ctually are/ what you&#39;re describing them as. {le} is and /always has be=
en/ non-veridical.<br>


<br>xorlo did not change the meaning of {lo} or {le}, it just changed how q=
uantification works.<br></div></div></blockquote></div><div>xorlo did actua=
lly change the meaning of {lo}. There was no {zo&#39;e} in old-lo, there is=
 in xorlo, this is a pretty dramatic difference.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>No it isn&#39;t. All unfilled place=
s are always implicitly filled with zo&#39;e, so rexorlo lo most certainly =
did have zo&#39;e.<br>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div><br></div><div>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o</div></div><br></div><=
/div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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uk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. =
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