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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e > In passing, I note {me} being used for "is a member of", which is not > what it means, although I suppose it does include that meaning as a > remote part. {me} with the meaning of "among" is a big part of xorlo (as it gets invoked any time an outer quantifier is used). It's also in the CLL. [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: googlegroups.com] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (seladwa[at]gmx.de) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e > In passing, I note {me} being used for "is a member of", which is not > what it means, although I suppose it does include that meaning as a > remote part. {me} with the meaning of "among" is a big part of xorlo (as it gets=20 invoked any time an outer quantifier is used). It's also in the CLL. 10.2) la BALtazar. cu me le ci nolraitru Balthazar is one-of-the-referents-of =93the three kings=94. Balthazar is one of the three kings. [1] It's the ma'oste that has uses another meaning, but {me} cannot mean=20 both, and the xorlo/CLL meaning is the more useful/necessary one in my=20 opinion. So at least for some tersmu, "among" is what {me} means. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- [1]: http://dag.github.io/cll/5/10/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.