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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 06:39:46 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] "we" and masses. A bug in the CLL?
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  Of course it can mean both. The CLL version of "me broda" is equivalent
to the ma'oste "me broda ro da".  So we just say that "me broda zo'e" is
usually understood to mean just that.

       --gejyspa


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 6:26 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e
>
>> In passing, I note {me} being used for "is a member of", which is not
>>
>> what it means, although I suppose it does include that meaning as a
>> remote part.
>>
>
> {me} with the meaning of "among" is a big part of xorlo (as it gets
> invoked any time an outer quantifier is used). It's also in the CLL.
>
> 10.2)  la BALtazar. cu me le ci nolraitru
>        Balthazar is one-of-the-referents-of =93the three kings=94.
>        Balthazar is one of the three kings. [1]
>
>
> It's the ma'oste that has uses another meaning, but {me} cannot mean both=
,
> and the xorlo/CLL meaning is the more useful/necessary one in my opinion.
> So at least for some tersmu, "among" is what {me} means.
>
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>
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> [1]: http://dag.github.io/cll/5/10/
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 Of course it can mean both. The CLL version of &quot;m=
e broda&quot; is equivalent to the ma&#39;oste &quot;me broda ro da&quot;. =
=A0So we just say that &quot;me broda zo&#39;e&quot; is usually understood =
to mean just that.<div>
<br><div style>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</div><div style><br></div></div></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Ju=
n 27, 2013 at 6:26 AM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">la .pycyn. cu cusku di&#39=
;e<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
In passing, I note {me} being used for &quot;is a member of&quot;, which is=
 not<div class=3D"im"><br>
what it means, although I suppose it does include that meaning as a<br>
remote part.<br>
</div></blockquote>
<br>
{me} with the meaning of &quot;among&quot; is a big part of xorlo (as it ge=
ts invoked any time an outer quantifier is used). It&#39;s also in the CLL.=
<br>
<br>
10.2) =A0la BALtazar. cu me le ci nolraitru<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Balthazar is one-of-the-referents-of =93the three kings=94.<=
br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Balthazar is one of the three kings. [1]<br>
<br>
<br>
It&#39;s the ma&#39;oste that has uses another meaning, but {me} cannot mea=
n both, and the xorlo/CLL meaning is the more useful/necessary one in my op=
inion. So at least for some tersmu, &quot;among&quot; is what {me} means.<d=
iv class=3D"im">
<br>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<br>
<br>
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[1]: <a href=3D"http://dag.github.io/cll/5/10/" target=3D"_blank">http://da=
g.github.io/cll/5/10/</a><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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