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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 06:41:20 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] "we" and masses. A bug in the CLL?
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errr.. "me ko'a" and "me ko'a ro da", of course...


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

>   Of course it can mean both. The CLL version of "me broda" is equivalent
> to the ma'oste "me broda ro da".  So we just say that "me broda zo'e" is
> usually understood to mean just that.
>
>        --gejyspa
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 6:26 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e
>>
>>> In passing, I note {me} being used for "is a member of", which is not
>>>
>>> what it means, although I suppose it does include that meaning as a
>>> remote part.
>>>
>>
>> {me} with the meaning of "among" is a big part of xorlo (as it gets
>> invoked any time an outer quantifier is used). It's also in the CLL.
>>
>> 10.2)  la BALtazar. cu me le ci nolraitru
>>        Balthazar is one-of-the-referents-of =93the three kings=94.
>>        Balthazar is one of the three kings. [1]
>>
>>
>> It's the ma'oste that has uses another meaning, but {me} cannot mean
>> both, and the xorlo/CLL meaning is the more useful/necessary one in my
>> opinion. So at least for some tersmu, "among" is what {me} means.
>>
>>
>> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>>
>> --
>> [1]: http://dag.github.io/cll/5/10/
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<div dir=3D"ltr">errr.. &quot;me ko&#39;a&quot; and &quot;me ko&#39;a ro da=
&quot;, of course...<div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Michael Turnia=
nsky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 Of course it can mean b=
oth. The CLL version of &quot;me broda&quot; is equivalent to the ma&#39;os=
te &quot;me broda ro da&quot;. =A0So we just say that &quot;me broda zo&#39=
;e&quot; is usually understood to mean just that.<div>

<br><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</div><div><br></div></div></div><div clas=
s=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 6:26 AM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.d=
e</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>la .pycyn. cu cusku di&#39;e<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
In passing, I note {me} being used for &quot;is a member of&quot;, which is=
 not<div><br>
what it means, although I suppose it does include that meaning as a<br>
remote part.<br>
</div></blockquote>
<br>
{me} with the meaning of &quot;among&quot; is a big part of xorlo (as it ge=
ts invoked any time an outer quantifier is used). It&#39;s also in the CLL.=
<br>
<br>
10.2) =A0la BALtazar. cu me le ci nolraitru<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Balthazar is one-of-the-referents-of =93the three kings=94.<=
br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Balthazar is one of the three kings. [1]<br>
<br>
<br>
It&#39;s the ma&#39;oste that has uses another meaning, but {me} cannot mea=
n both, and the xorlo/CLL meaning is the more useful/necessary one in my op=
inion. So at least for some tersmu, &quot;among&quot; is what {me} means.<d=
iv>

<br>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<br>
<br>
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[1]: <a href=3D"http://dag.github.io/cll/5/10/" target=3D"_blank">http://da=
g.github.io/cll/5/10/</a><div><div><br>
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