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You can easily >> specify "1/8 turn", with {pifi'ubi carna} >> >> And so you know, the direction place in {carna} defaults to >> anti-clockwise, per the right-hand rule, > > > what in the official and/or robin's definition of carna says about > right-hand rule? > It was determined in the extremely lengthy discussion that was had about carna when someone realized that the original definition was broken. Whoever entered Robin's update obviously forgot to include that bit, or alternatively, didn't think it was necessary to mention the obvious. > and can be explicitly stated simply with {li ma'u} (acw} and {li ni'u} >> (cw), as on a polar coordinate grid. >> >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Ilmen wrote: >> >>> Hello everybody, >>> >>> I was trying to figure out how to express relative angular direction in >>> Lojban, but I've been hindered by the unfathomable definition of {jganu= }. >>> >>> I'd like to translate =C2=AB From me [vertex], there is a 1/8 leftwise = turn >>> angle between East and the mountain =C2=BB (note: a turn is a complete >>> revolution, otherwordly 360=C2=B0 or 2=CF=80 rad). >>> How can I say this in Lojban? >>> >>> Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. >>> Best regards, Ilmen. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+un...@**googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban >>> . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out >>> . >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:17 PM, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 28, 2013 2:47:16 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">{jganu} defines the angle by a point= (x2) and a line (x3).

In this picture:
{la'o my.=E2=88=A0ACB.my jganu cy. lo linji be = .abu ce by.}
=C2=A03D"http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/eps-g=
I recommend using {radno} or {carna}. You can easily specify "1/8 tu= rn", with {pifi'ubi carna}

And so you know, the direction place in {carna} defaults to anti-clockw= ise, per the right-hand rule,

what in= the official and/or robin's definition of carna says about right-hand = rule?

It was determined in the extremely lengthy discussion= that was had about carna when someone realized that the original definitio= n was broken. Whoever entered Robin's update obviously forgot to includ= e that bit, or alternatively, didn't think it was necessary to mention = the obvious.
=C2=A0
and can be explicitly stated simply with {li ma'u} (= acw} and {li ni'u} (cw), as on a polar coordinate grid.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2013= at 4:14 PM, Ilmen <ilmen....@gmail.com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Hello everybody,

I was trying to figure out how to express relative angular direction in Lojban, but I've been hindered by the unfathomable definition of {jganu}.

I'd like to translate =C2=AB From me [vertex], there is a 1/8 lef= twise turn angle between East and the mountain =C2=BB (note: a turn is a complete revolution, otherwordly 360=C2=B0 or 2=CF=80 rad).
How can I say this in Lojban?

Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
Best regards, Ilmen.

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