Received: from mail-ve0-f190.google.com ([209.85.128.190]:35334) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UsRrR-0006oy-Pm for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:08:59 -0700 Received: by mail-ve0-f190.google.com with SMTP id d10sf513547vea.27 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:08:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=bbiPUwTcCo+Qp12Cs4aI4E8aUJ+PeB4AuJtfieT0FII=; b=m/MOxWMjyPewcQZZIXn9h79loTJ+s2OoOmHP4XJ8m+UU4Y7nymBaxikx/QGn0ojwq/ btxZs7z8ZrmVXENbMYd60FTuvSzZlVIxbFnozVKX+MtO7vjWMPCGq3WrehRb0DjzBk24 TsyviMFITfXTCw9Ak+28Ptq9NH/1WtJF0oWhdFWjGLnGlfvp3lKqgJZO3MNvDvuu1tcX A4TVyQXURmyLCkIddPzWdK/i6k1EAVb2bsWnglFbnb1wh/uviMSIwoqKH8pl2s7K7xzO vC3M3A+ittopJ2HkLXgGvt2o0+GWN2RqVr8SfYOieNkEFDN1SUCzBKk99OMXp9Et4Uk2 64JQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=bbiPUwTcCo+Qp12Cs4aI4E8aUJ+PeB4AuJtfieT0FII=; b=L9Gvjapr24HH97j73X6t4HmscbTgfSs9ESWMnPgvqq0WABaJFSxxJ4LUTJ2vkT6w3Z uXyqwp8gWR9JZxc6PVjm/SsIdCnryJNsl5Mkehd2cGXQ0MlyByswMZ/ypIda5+3cIrnE iPU7kQsgHroIxjXuiSsCEchEvXrze3bcDJJ7Go/XqdPMnOu+V4T54IVNgkC2TRrUpRGT 5ecaPexR9PlpQaX2bLdqymLBiQ3qN88ZcykrRwLzObx63N838Pl5V5s35bUAqZIUjO1t X7TlFu9fBs/E7AnH7lkMaLUrPs4nKy9dVMvSpcj+BZlkfSSVSfr54ORC2t9/z2kVaiZy MpIQ== X-Received: by 10.49.4.136 with SMTP id k8mr341725qek.19.1372399718963; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:08:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.83.134 with SMTP id q6ls1051496qey.89.gmail; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:08:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.24.208 with SMTP id w16mr334407qef.37.1372399718533; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:08:38 -0700 (PDT) From: la arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <0433fb16-2ac4-4712-a582-bc1935e83a1f@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <51CCB932.1070308@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Relative angular direction MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_374_31571120.1372399718183" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_374_31571120.1372399718183 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday, June 28, 2013 9:44:00 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:17 PM, la arxokuna > > wrote: > >> On Friday, June 28, 2013 2:47:16 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>> >>> {jganu} defines the angle by a point (x2) and a line (x3). >>> >>> In this picture: >>> {la'o my.=E2=88=A0ACB.my jganu cy. lo linji be .abu ce by.} >>> [image: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/eps-gif/Subtend_700.gif] >>> I recommend using {radno }= =20 >>> or {carna }. You can easily= =20 >>> specify "1/8 turn", with {pifi'ubi carna} >>> >>> And so you know, the direction place in {carna} defaults to=20 >>> anti-clockwise, per the right-hand rule, >> >> >> what in the official and/or robin's definition of carna says about=20 >> right-hand rule? >> > > It was determined in the extremely lengthy discussion that was had about= =20 > carna when someone realized that the original definition was broken.=20 > Whoever entered Robin's update obviously forgot to include that bit, or= =20 > alternatively, didn't think it was necessary to mention the obvious. > that's not what that discussion ended in imo. =20 > =20 > >> and can be explicitly stated simply with {li ma'u} (acw} and {li ni'u}= =20 >>> (cw), as on a polar coordinate grid. >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Ilmen wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everybody, >>>> >>>> I was trying to figure out how to express relative angular direction i= n=20 >>>> Lojban, but I've been hindered by the unfathomable definition of {jgan= u}. >>>> >>>> I'd like to translate =C2=AB From me [vertex], there is a 1/8 leftwise= turn=20 >>>> angle between East and the mountain =C2=BB (note: a turn is a complete= =20 >>>> revolution, otherwordly 360=C2=B0 or 2=CF=80 rad). >>>> How can I say this in Lojban? >>>> >>>> Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. >>>> Best regards, Ilmen. >>>> >>>> >>>> --=20 >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send= =20 >>>> an email to lojban+un...@**googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out >>>> . >>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --=20 >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Friday, June 28, 2013 9:44:00 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
On Thu, Jun 27= , 2013 at 11:17 PM, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gma= il.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 28, 2013 2:47:16 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
{jganu} defines the angle by a point (x2) and a l= ine (x3).

In this picture:
{la'o my.=E2=88=A0ACB.my jganu cy. lo linji be .abu= ce by.}
 3D"http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/eps-gif/S=
I recommend using {radno} or {carna}. You can easily specify "1/8 turn", = with {pifi'ubi carna}

And so you know, the direction place in {carna} defaults to anti-clockw= ise, per the right-hand rule,

what in= the official and/or robin's definition of carna says about right-hand rule= ?

It was determined in the extremely lengthy discussion= that was had about carna when someone realized that the original definitio= n was broken. Whoever entered Robin's update obviously forgot to include th= at bit, or alternatively, didn't think it was necessary to mention the obvi= ous.


that's = not what that discussion ended in imo.
 
 
and can be explicitly stated simply with {li ma'u} (acw} and {li ni'u= } (cw), as on a polar coordinate grid.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:14 PM, = Ilmen <ilmen....@gmail.com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Hello everybody,

I was trying to figure out how to express relative angular direction in Lojban, but I've been hindered by the unfathomable definition of {jganu}.

I'd like to translate =C2=AB From me [vertex], there is a 1/8 leftwis= e turn angle between East and the mountain =C2=BB (note: a turn is a complete revolution, otherwordly 360=C2=B0 or 2=CF=80 rad).
How can I say this in Lojban?

Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
Best regards, Ilmen.

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