Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 22:24:52 -0700 (PDT)
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{jarco}
x1 (agent) shows/exhibits/displays/[reveals]/demonstrates x2 (property) to 
audience x3.

[reveal (= tolmipygau, mipyja'o, sivja'o); also: x1 shows that x2, x1 shows 
off x2; showing an object is generally expressed with a tu'a x2, since the 
properties of the shown object (other than its presence) intended for 
observation are seldom specified (simple presence could be expressed by 
leka Object. cu zvati)]; See also tigni, cipra, zgana, jvinu, lanli, mipri, 
simlu.


1.For me {jarco} means "x1 manifests it's property x2 (ka) to x3"
There is another proposal
2. {jarco} could mean "x1 shows object x2 to x3"

Now, I'm not against using {mi djica lo ka citka} or even {mi djica lo 
plise}.
You might assume that I will also accept both definitions as acceptable.
No way!
This is not a simple polymorphism. This is just a different semantics.

The second {jarco} contains transitiveness and can be best expressed using 
probably the most important jvajvo generating rafsi -gau-.
So it's judgau/za'argau/vidygau.

Confusing them would lead to serious problems in understanding.
All transitive brivla should have {-gau-} (or more specific rafsi) in them.


As for the first jarco it represents one of the most important categories 
in different philosophies. It's close to ckaji.
x1 x2 x3 jarco = x1 manifests it's property x2 (ka) to x3
x1 x2 x3 ga'a x3 ckaji = x1 is characterized by property x2 to x3

Such brivla as jarco and ckaji disrupt {ko'a broda} into {ko'a ckaji/jarco 
lo ka broda} which can be important for topicalisation. Well, I think 
topicalisation can be best achieved through {ckaji} ({kai lo jugbau mi 
nelci [ce'u]} = Chinese language: I like [it]) but even if not the right 
brivla even then topicalisation brivla will belong to the same series as 
ckaji and jarco.

Please don't deprive me of manifestation brivla.

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<div>{jarco}</div><div>x1 (agent) shows/exhibits/displays/[reveals]/demonst=
rates x2 (property) to audience x3.</div><div><br></div><div>[reveal (=3D t=
olmipygau, mipyja'o, sivja'o); also: x1 shows that x2, x1 shows off x2; sho=
wing an object is generally expressed with a tu'a x2, since the properties =
of the shown object (other than its presence) intended for observation are =
seldom specified (simple presence could be expressed by leka Object. cu zva=
ti)]; See also tigni, cipra, zgana, jvinu, lanli, mipri, simlu.</div><div><=
br></div><div><br></div><div>1.For me {jarco} means "x1 manifests it's prop=
erty x2 (ka) to x3"</div><div>There is another proposal</div><div>2. {jarco=
} could mean "x1 shows object x2 to x3"</div><div><br></div><div>Now, I'm n=
ot against using {mi djica lo ka citka} or even {mi djica lo plise}.</div><=
div>You might assume that I will also accept both definitions as acceptable=
.</div><div>No way!</div><div>This is not a simple polymorphism. This is ju=
st a different semantics.</div><div><br></div><div>The second {jarco} conta=
ins transitiveness and can be best expressed using probably the most import=
ant jvajvo generating rafsi -gau-.</div><div>So it's judgau/za'argau/vidyga=
u.</div><div><br></div><div>Confusing them would lead to serious problems i=
n understanding.</div><div>All transitive brivla should have {-gau-} (or mo=
re specific rafsi) in them.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>As for =
the first jarco it represents one of the most important categories in diffe=
rent philosophies. It's close to ckaji.</div><div>x1 x2 x3 jarco =3D x1 man=
ifests it's property x2 (ka) to x3</div><div>x1 x2 x3 ga'a x3 ckaji =3D x1 =
is characterized by property x2 to x3</div><div><br></div><div>Such brivla =
as jarco and ckaji disrupt {ko'a broda} into {ko'a ckaji/jarco lo ka broda}=
 which can be important for topicalisation. Well, I think topicalisation ca=
n be best achieved through {ckaji} ({kai lo jugbau mi nelci [ce'u]} =3D Chi=
nese language: I like [it]) but even if not the right brivla even then topi=
calisation brivla will belong to the same series as ckaji and jarco.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Please don't deprive me of manifestation brivla.</div>

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